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Old 08-01-2015, 03:30 PM
 
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Not true. A universal health care system which is supported by the majority of the people costs less, not more than the current, massively corrupt and inefficient privatized system.

The average UK person pays $3700 per year in taxes to fund their medicare for all, universal health care system. The average US person already pays $4300 in taxes to fund 44% of the US health care costs. In addition, people have to pay thousands of dollars a year in insurance, deductibles, prescription drugs, co-pays etc.
If you think so, but THIS is what they get:

NHS rationing is putting health at risk, says doctors' leader

Why the NHS has to ration care - BBC News

NHS rationing 'forcing patients to go private' - Telegraph
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:34 PM
 
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I don't see anyone in Europe wanting to privatize their health care like the U.S. They have a system similar to the U.S. approach to education. You get a level of education provided and if you want more, you pay for it. I think that's as good an approach as any. We provide health coverage to seniors and they sure don't want to lose it. We provide health coverage to the military, and they want that. We provided health coverage to the Iraqis too and no one said anything.
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:40 PM
 
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But this is besides the point. Your claim that the US can't afford social programs for the people is baloney.

And the insurance companies does not ration care to save money? They do everything they can to deny people treatment to please their shareholders.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/~/me...11&w=740&la=en
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:43 PM
 
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5.00$ for a liter of fuel
Why do you do this? It's so easy to prove you wrong, and it just detracts from every other point you might make.

Right now, in Hamburg, Germany, you can fill up with super for 1.45 Euro/liter - that's $1.60/liter. In Denmark, you can find prices as high as 12.16 DKR - $1.79. You're not just off, you're ludicrously off.

Benzin- und Dieselpreise in Deutschland aktuell

Not that I was aware that cheap fuel was a "right".

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Gov. owned homes.
What on Earth are you on about now? Except for student housing, a few social programs for those who can't manage their housing situation on their own, it's just not a thing.

Are you trying to imply that people can't own their homes? Seriously?

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I can start a business here in the USA with Gov. Interference
And you can do the same in Denamrk, Norway, Germany, Sweden... In fact, people who look into such matters consistently consider Denmark and Norway as good as the US, if not better, for entrepreneurs. I do have friends and family who run their own businesses, you know.

It really sounds like you're thinking of East Germany or something.
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:47 PM
 
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Yet no one in Europe would want to copy the US system. Should tell you something.
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:50 PM
 
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I don't see anyone in Europe wanting to privatize their health care like the U.S.
Not true. They're having to resort to private health care services because of NHS rationing.

NHS rationing 'forcing patients to go private' - Telegraph
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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Not true. They're having to resort to private health care services because of NHS rationing.

NHS rationing 'forcing patients to go private' - Telegraph
If they want to kill the NHS, I'm sure they'll vote for it. Same with Canada, Australia, etc.

Myths about Canada, U.S. health care debunked - MarketWatch
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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But this is besides the point.
No, it isn't. They have national health care, lower- and middle-income earners bear the brunt of the taxes for it due to the regressive nature of VAT taxes, etc.,and even though that collects the most tax revenue because EVERYONE pays, it's still not adequately meeting the citizens' healh care needs.
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Old 08-01-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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Yet no one in Europe would want to copy the US system. Should tell you something.
Yep, Europeans are GOOD with taxing lower- and middle-income earners the most, as they also benefit the most from social programs.
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Old 08-01-2015, 04:04 PM
 
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No, it isn't. They have national health care, lower- and middle-income earners bear the brunt of the taxes for it due to the regressive nature of VAT taxes, etc.,and even though that collects the most tax revenue because EVERYONE pays, it's still not adequately meeting the citizens' healh care needs.
It doesn't matter how crappy you believe medicare for all is. Americans already pay enough taxes to fund a universal health care system like in UK and Sweden. You may believe they have a crap system, but your claim that liberals can't get such a system in America unless taxes rises sharply is baloney.

It's the same with universal child care for example. Every family can get free universal child care by shifting priorities from war and military-industrial complex to investing in the quality of life of Americans. And universal child care is a massive boost to the economy because millions of moms drop out of the labor force today because child care costs are outrageous.
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