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Old 07-28-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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As the saying goes, no plan survives first contact with the enemy. It is unclear how IS - or the Syrian government - will respond to an uptick in US air strikes. Nor is it clear if the rebel groups that are meant to stabilise the buffer zone will play ball.

Those groups are dominated by Islamists and jihadists, including the al-Qaeda-allied Jabhat al-Nusra - not exactly the "moderates" the US would like to be bombing on behalf of.
Moreover, if Turkey miscalculates against the Kurds and domestic supporters of IS, it could face a dual uprising.

The country's security forces could end up trying to tamp down a domestic insurgency in order to defend the national interests that they are intervening for abroad.
For now, the Turkish and Kurdish forces that are fighting against Islamic State militants are also poised to fight each other.

The outcome of this multi-faceted contest is uncertain. But the Turkish action underscores what has become an unofficial axiom of the campaign against Islamic State: the US goal of defeating the militants cannot be untangled from the conflicting aims of its allies in the fight.
Turkey v Islamic State v the Kurds: What's going on? - BBC News
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:30 PM
 
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Turkey supports ISIS.

Turkey is using the excuse to bomb ISIS, when Infact they bomb the Pro-American Kurds.

Also it wouldn't surprise me if the American Left support ISIS and Turkey over the Kurds.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:40 PM
 
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Dude are you dreaming?

We Support ISIS too!!!
who the heck did you think John Mccain was taking pictures with in Syria
when Obama Administration blessed his trip to Syria?

Who do you think we were referring to when we said we supplied some eastern European weapons
to some groups in Syria who later became extremists (were were talking about al-nusra front).

How the heck do you think ISIS a group of 30K fighters were financed, fed? where do you think their weapons are coming from? We have given the green light to Saudi And Qatar to fiance these bastards. do you know how bullets per day they use?

ISIS exists because we are trying to pursue a dual containment track. to weaken Asad but also weaken the Sunni Militants.

But we never thought it would get out of hand.

We thought the same thing in the 80s and early 90s when financed extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

We keep meddling and then we are like I wonder why things spin out of control.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:44 PM
 
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Dude are you dreaming?

We Support ISIS too!!!
who the heck did you think John Mccain was taking pictures with in Syria
when Obama Administration blessed his trip to Syria?

Who do you think we were referring to when we said we supplied some eastern European weapons
to some groups in Syria who later became extremists (were were talking about al-nusra front).

How the heck do you think ISIS a group of 30K fighters were financed, fed? where do you think their weapons are coming from? We have given the green light to Saudi And Qatar to fiance these bastards. do you know how bullets per day they use?

ISIS exists because we are trying to pursue a dual containment track. to weaken Asad but also weaken the Sunni Militants.

But we never thought it would get out of hand.

We thought the same thing in the 80s and early 90s when financed extremists in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

We keep meddling and then we are like I wonder why things spin out of control.
Exactly, the U.S. opened this Pandora's box when we invaded Iraq in 2003. Obama has continued to keep on giving weapons to the so called moderates (FSA) who made a truce with ISIS to fight Assad.

The who region is a mess, and every time the U.S. intervenes the U.S. screws it up more. Not to mention that the intervention in the Middle East is precisely what is motivating the Jihad groups to attack the U.S. Lets do the wise thing, get out and let them fight among themselves.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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Exactly, the U.S. opened this Pandora's box when we invaded Iraq in 2003. Obama has continued to keep on giving weapons to the so called moderates (FSA) who made a truce with ISIS to fight Assad.

The who region is a mess, and every time the U.S. intervenes the U.S. screws it up more. Not to mention that the intervention in the Middle East is precisely what is motivating the Jihad groups to attack the U.S. Lets do the wise thing, get out and let them fight among themselves.
Hell, that box was opened in 1953 with the US supported coup in Iran. and we still haven't learned there are many battles that just aren't ours.
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Old 07-28-2015, 02:01 PM
 
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Hell, that box was opened in 1953 with the US supported coup in Iran. and we still haven't learned there are many battles that just aren't ours.
Correct. The U.S. has intervened unnecessarily in so many countries internal affairs, and its had bred hatred of the U.S. along with attacks against the U.S. Best thing to to do, leave and adopt a foreign policy of non-intervention.

About the 1953 overthrow of Mossadegh by the U.S. to put in the Shah (A dictator), blow back from that is still impacting the U.S., yet the politicians refuse to confront what the U.S. has done to Iran.
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Old 07-28-2015, 02:04 PM
 
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I think US needs to support Kurds on this.

They're the only sensible nation that has Western like values.
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Old 07-28-2015, 02:05 PM
 
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I think US needs to support Kurds on this.

They're the only sensible nation that has Western like values.
Meddling is just in our DNA.

you realize Kurds are Muslims too .
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Old 07-28-2015, 02:07 PM
 
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I think US needs to support Kurds on this.

They're the only sensible nation that has Western like values.
No. It is irrelevant to U.S. interests if they have Western values or not.

The Kurds would also take these weapons and attack Turkey, due to a long time desire of the Kurds to create Kurdistan.

How about this, don't give anyone weapons. Plus, lets go home and let them fight among themselves, keep the U.S. out of this mess.
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Old 07-28-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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Meddling is just in our DNA.

you realize Kurds are Muslims too .
Well are there any atheists in ME

Of course they are.

But with somewhat secular values it's the best shot
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