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I see this meme all the time and find it kind of amusing. Perhaps I do not have a control freak propensity, but why would anyone running the government want the entire population of this country to be dependent upon them? Why would anyone want that?
Votes. And Since Dems promise and support giving away the most freebies to those who are dependent on public assistance, they're getting their votes. In fact, Dems couldn't win elections without maintaining a significantly large poor voter base.
Walmart has the least expensive BC on the Market and I think the problem is to many benefit grabbing folks it is not free.
What happen to taken responsibility?:roll eyes:
What are you talking about? Isn't getting & using birth control called taking responsibility? So now the logic is using birth control is not taking responsibility? In what twisted universe does that make sense?
I guarantee that at least half if not the majority of people crying about PP has used it or their girlfriends or wives or partners what have you, have frequented PP at some point in their lives. Back when I was in college & in my early to mid 20's, I used PP. The cost of birth control was based on your income back then. It was either free or very cheap. THAT is why so many people use PP, because they offer low cost birth control. You people should be thankful that PP exists. I know I am.
Expecting people who have spent a lifetime being irresponsible to suddenly become responsible is idealistic. It's not going to happen. Damage control is the smartest move.
It just utterly boggles my mind how you can outright admit that dumb people don't just suddenly get smart and yet still defend the idea of child benefits. I have already asked other people this earlier in the thread and I am asking again: Why do I need to pick between giving people free condoms or child benefits? What if I think both are bull****?
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Originally Posted by thefragile
What are you talking about? Isn't getting & using birth control called taking responsibility? So now the logic is using birth control is not taking responsibility?
No, wanting others to pay for birth control is not taking responsiblity.
It just utterly boggles my mind how you can outright admit that dumb people don't just suddenly get smart and yet still defend the idea of child benefits. I have already asked other people this earlier in the thread and I am asking again: Why do I need to pick between giving people free condoms or child benefits? What if I think both are bull****?
No, wanting others to pay for birth control is not taking responsiblity.
I never defended the idea of child benefits, I merely acknowledged them as a reality. They were around before I was born and I am sure they will be around after I'm dead, so as long as they are a reality, may as well minimize it as best we can. You can argue against child benefits on message boards all day long, but that is not going to make them go away.
I never defended the idea of child benefits, I merely acknowledged them as a reality. They were around before I was born and I am sure they will be around after I'm dead, so as long as they are a reality, may as well minimize it as best we can. You can argue against child benefits on message boards all day long, but that is not going to make them go away.
This is nonsense reasoning. You can defend any policy with this kind of argument. "Well I don't think it's fair that X is like X but since B is worse than X and B still exists we should just accept X". This isn't a legit argument.
This is nonsense reasoning. You can defend any policy with this kind of argument. "Well I don't think it's fair that X is like X but since B is worse than X and B still exists we should just accept X". This isn't a legit argument.
This is how politics works. You don't always get what you want, but you look for ways to minimize the damage. Look, if you don't like the policy, get off your ass and do something about it. Don't just argue with people on a message board. That does nothing to change the situation.
Until you do that, you are no better than me, or anyone else who accepts this reality and goes on with their lives.
I have heard claims going around by some people from the left that birth control should be subsidized so that people on lower incomes can get them to avoid unplanned pregnancy.
As a low-income earner myself, I find this to be utterly laughable.
Condoms are not that expensive. If a person is single, then their most likely method to get laid is by meeting women at clubs or bars, or in some other way have fun during the night. This will probably involve alcohol. Alcohol isn't exactly cheap, so if somebody can afford drinking then buying a condom is a trivial expense. But let's say they are in a relationship. Assuming they have sex 2-3 times a week, a decent sized box of condoms will last 2-3 weeks. So here the expense of condoms gets higher, but not to a point of being crazy expensive. Not to mention that now we have 2 people sharing the cost making it even less of a problem.
I'm sorry, but I just find the idea that poor people can't afford condoms to be utter nonsense. How can they afford booze but not condoms?
I'm sorry but I don't buy into your reasoning.
Why can't they afford BC? Because it is cheaper to raise a child or get an abortion than buy or get free BC. Oops, that's not right! Raising a child would be more expensive for the bearer than the cost of BC!!!
when that ultra shortsided logic dominates the 'victims' created and marketed by the socialist dems, perhaps handing out free BC is racist, sexist, and some other ist that includes ethnic cleansing and a way to control the procreation of the bewildered and confused.
This is how politics works. You don't always get what you want, but you look for ways to minimize the damage.
This logic is total bull****. There is no reason why we need to choose between paying for birth control or child benefits. If people are too stupid to use birth control and end up having children they can't afford, then the state should take said children away from them. If they keep doing it again, they should be charged with social irresponsibility and then sterilized.
This logic is total bull****. There is no reason why we need to choose between paying for birth control or child benefits. If people are too stupid to use birth control and end up having children they can't afford, then the state should take said children away from them. If they keep doing it again, they should be charged with social irresponsibility and then sterilized.
That will not work either.
1. We would soon run out of adoptive homes to take them all and then we would still have to pay to keep them in state run institutions.
2. This country WILL NEVER do that, anymore than requiring parents on the dole to get sterilized if they want to continue getting benefits. After kid number two, snip snip, for mom and dad, or else no benefits for you. {my preferred method if I was KING. LOL}
But, since I KNOW that will never happen, the next best thing is to make it as easy as possible for them to get birth control. It's the smart thing to do.
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