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Old 08-02-2015, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Our economy is a corporatist economy, not a capitalist one.
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This x 10
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Old 08-02-2015, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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We will have two clear choices in this country. Either we want socialism/collectivism or we want capitalism/individualism. We are at the tipping point where there might be more takers than makers, so this next election may put us over the edge.

I like Trump's plan better. Bring the jobs back by taxing companies that send them overseas 20% and 0% tax rate for companies who keep the jobs here.

Also, an easier tax tier system. 0-30,000 earnings taxed at 1%, 30,000-100,000 5%, 100,0000 - 1 million 10%, anything over 1 million 15%.

He has a lot of ideas that would keep wealth in the hands of the individual, which would keep power there too. Socialism is about power, not helping the poor. The government should not control revenue.

Edit to say the problem is more than what Bill O'Reilly is saying. Some people aren't meant to go to college and become an engineer, doctor or an IT specialist, etc. Some are meant to work in factories or low-level jobs. Those are all gone (besides the service industry).
How is Trump going to accomplish this? Obama and the Dems have wanted this for years, but the GOP resists. Is he going to threaten to publish congressional members' cell phone numbers if they don't pass his legislation?

Senate advances bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing | TheHill

Senate Republicans Vote Against American Jobs By Blocking Bill To End Outsourcing Tax Breaks

So what exactly is Donald Trump's economic policy? - Jul. 28, 2015
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Old 08-02-2015, 11:16 AM
 
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How is Trump going to accomplish this? Obama and the Dems have wanted this for years, but the GOP resists.
Once again, they had the numbers. They had the White House, the Senate and the House and did nothing.
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Old 08-02-2015, 01:27 PM
 
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He said "No matter how old you are, you can acquire the skills to make money."
Um, no. Just because you can acquire skills later in life doesn't mean anybody will be willing to hire you. Just read some of the posts over on the Work & Employment forum. Lots of ageism on there.
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Old 08-02-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Once again, they had the numbers. They had the White House, the Senate and the House and did nothing.
The point of my post was not really to make it a partisan issue. I'd like to know how Trump supporters believe he will be able to pass legislation that has been in congress for years trying to get passed. He's not exactly famous for his diplomacy. When Trump faithful make statements about Trump, they seem to believe he is a wizard who can wave a magic wand and make things happen.

His negotiation skills have been within the context of him being the one with the advantage. He has not dealt with anything like congress, and I don't think CEOs, in general, and Trump in particular have the patience to make deals with those who also have an advantage.

"Trump's leadership in business has allowed him to push his demands through and he's not been surrounded with people who might disagree and even try to oppose him, so he doesn't have experience building a team designed for purposes other than promoting his own narrow agenda and providing information that might be in contrast to his own position and goals -- a president has to compromise, and cannot expect to just do whatever they want while threatening to fire anyone who displeases them."

Donald Trump's Negotiation Mind Games - CBS News
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Old 08-02-2015, 02:34 PM
 
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One thing people leave out, is that we are now in a vastly expanding global market, where cheap labor in India, and slave labor in China is taking away manufacturing jobs in the USA. Our middle class jobs are going overseas because we cannot realistically compete with $1.25 an hour wages in other countries.

We cannot compete with manufacturers in countries that can pollute to their hearts content, where not only do we have to follow strict EPA regs, but endless labor laws and a festering legal system which makes running a business in the USA extremely costly and burdensome.

To some people, the answer to increasing competition with these emerging, cheap labor, third world nations, is to double labor costs, and punish our manufacturing industry with draconian carbon reduction laws, and even more regulations and federal labor mandates.
Then it's a quality of life issue for the business owner. There are still plenty of companies that pride themselves as integral to the community and don't want to chase excess money by jumping from one tax haven or cheap labor market to the next. Plenty of bosses will take a little less money for themselves also so that they can run a functional, high morale company too.
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Old 08-02-2015, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Once again, they had the numbers. They had the White House, the Senate and the House and did nothing.
The issue isn't partisan. It's based on lobbyists and what's best for them. The Democrats did nothing about this when they were the majority, the Republicans continue to do nothing about this while they are the majority. They won't bite the hand the spoon feeds them money.
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Old 08-02-2015, 02:39 PM
 
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How is Trump going to accomplish this? Obama and the Dems have wanted this for years, but the GOP resists. Is he going to threaten to publish congressional members' cell phone numbers if they don't pass his legislation?

Senate advances bill to end tax breaks for outsourcing | TheHill

Senate Republicans Vote Against American Jobs By Blocking Bill To End Outsourcing Tax Breaks

So what exactly is Donald Trump's economic policy? - Jul. 28, 2015
I feel this will be end of the Republican party as we know it if Trump becomes president. It might even be the end to career politicians just because of the support Trump is getting for not being a politician himself.

I don't think he will threaten to publish phone numbers, however, he knows how to negotiate and he doesn't need money from corporations. He talks about incentives. Incentives to get people back to work and off welfare, and incentives to negotiate within his own party and world leaders. He uses incentives in his business life and that's what works. I believe the Republicans are bought and paid for by corporations. This is what sets Trump apart. Special interest groups will not be able to court him financially.
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Old 08-02-2015, 02:43 PM
 
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Wonder if tax breaks for companies that keep their jobs here can be enforced through executive action?
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Old 08-02-2015, 05:00 PM
 
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The point of my post was not really to make it a partisan issue. I'd like to know how Trump supporters believe he will be able to pass legislation that has been in congress for years trying to get passed.
First you have to start with an honest question. No one has been trying to enact any real tax reform.

The people do want it though. We saw how quickly the people flipped the House and Senate when they were gave something they didn't want.

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He's not exactly famous for his diplomacy. When Trump faithful make statements about Trump, they seem to believe he is a wizard who can wave a magic wand and make things happen.
Get the country behind you and you can. Can Trump? I've heard very few solid policy positions from him but the argument that someone who is actually going to try should be dismissed because its going to be hard and lets just go ahead and vote for the same failed actors isn't a very appealing argument.

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His negotiation skills have been within the context of him being the one with the advantage. He has not dealt with anything like congress, and I don't think CEOs, in general, and Trump in particular have the patience to make deals with those who also have an advantage.
An advantage? They are a house of fools.

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"Trump's leadership in business has allowed him to push his demands through and he's not been surrounded with people who might disagree and even try to oppose him, so he doesn't have experience building a team designed for purposes other than promoting his own narrow agenda and providing information that might be in contrast to his own position and goals -- a president has to compromise, and cannot expect to just do whatever they want while threatening to fire anyone who displeases them."

Donald Trump's Negotiation Mind Games - CBS News
Firing a lot of people would be right where he should start.
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