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Now also include Teacher certification tests that minorities can't pass.
Lots of lawsuits now over that. State education agencies are creating discriminatory tests to prevent minorities from becoming teachers.
And the funny thing is those are all public sector jobs.
I have only heard of 2 cases where teacher certification tests have had law suits. Maybe there were more that I don't know about.
One that is well known is in NYC. Both I know about are NY related actually.
In 1993 and again in 1996, the State Education Department and the Board of Education mandated that all State and City teachers – entering and experienced teachers alike – pass written certification tests. Yet unlike new teachers entering the classroom, the teachers in this case had already earned master’s degrees, passed content specialty exams, completed other required course work, and received nothing but satisfactory evaluations in their many years of employment in the city schools. The men and women represented in this case lost their permanent teaching licenses, seniority, retention rights, and in some cases their tenured teaching positions, and had their salaries drastically reduced. The Board kept them teaching the same course load, with the same responsibilities, but without the same benefits.
Also from the link:
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The lawsuit, Gulino v. Board of Education, was filed in 1996 by the Center for Constitutional Rights on behalf of Elsa Gulino, a Latina public school teacher, and three of her African American colleagues. They charged that the certification test they were required to take (called the Liberal Arts & Sciences Test, or LAST), had a disparate racial impact and that the City and the State failed to demonstrate the test was actually related to relevant job requirements. After a series of appeals by the parties, a federal judge’s ruled yesterday that the test discriminated in violation of Title VII.
This was a pretty well known case that was not settled until 2013.
I can see where math teachers would need to know specific types of math and how to solve problems but many of the questions I reviewed that were in question from this case, being that I have a liberal arts degree could indeed be seen as discriminatory as they asked teachers to pick what specific reading passages were about or represented and literature heavily relies on interpretation from an historical and cultural perspective. It can mean different things to different people and there is never one right answer for the most part.
If someone's cultural and historical views do not coincide with test creators, then that does create a bias. Also the fact that they kept the teachers and only used the test to pay them less is pretty telling. If they were indeed not qualified, then they should have been let go, not used to still teach in the same capacity as before.
This was a pretty well known case that was not settled until 2013.
I can see where math teachers would need to know specific types of math and how to solve problems but many of the questions I reviewed that were in question from this case, being that I have a liberal arts degree could indeed be seen as discriminatory as they asked teachers to pick what specific reading passages were about or represented and literature heavily relies on interpretation from an historical and cultural perspective. It can mean different things to different people and there is never one right answer for the most part.
If someone's cultural and historical views do not coincide with test creators, then that does create a bias. Also the fact that they kept the teachers and only used the test to pay them less is pretty telling. If they were indeed not qualified, then they should have been let go, not used to still teach in the same capacity as before.
preK to grades 4 or 5 are inclusive classrooms.
The teacher teaches all subjects.
I know of a teacher that took 6 tries to pass the Math portion of the EC-6 Generalist test.
And that teacher will be teaching Math to your kids.
I have a Generalist 4-8 besides my Math cert.
I had to get the Generalist cert because there aren't enough teachers getting content specific certs and the schools need bodies so they "lowered the bar".
Generalist is ELA-Math-Science-Social Studies
I don't feel qualified enough to teach anything other than Math or technology classes.
But my cert says I'm "highly qualified" for those 4 subjects. All because I passed a multiple choice test.
There is no way to test how good anyone will be performing firefighting or police work from a desk and standardized test bubbles.
And to your second part, yes. Many areas learn different math, grammar, geography, etc. Fortunately for most subjects, those aren't needed to perform the jobs of which you are complaining about.
They are active jobs, not sit at the desk jobs and if anything police tests should be about local codes and laws and not math or grammr or geography.
Many police officers, regardless of skin color don't know laws and codes. I shared in another thread I was falsely arrested by an officer before. One of the charges was "reckless conduct." In our area that charge is in relation to spreading HIV. Basically being HIV positive and having sex with people without telling them and potentially giving them HIV. I do not have HIV. That charge had nothing to do with the situation and because that officer was ignorant to laws and codes, they admitted there was no reason for my arrest during court, the other charge was "cruelty to children" due to me having a pit bull mix in the car with my 4 year old son on our way to the groomers. Cruelty to children involves physical child abuse or perpetuating domestic violence in front of children for a lesser offense. Both charges were dismissed. Most of the test police officers take have nothing to do with real police work. Same for firefighter tests.
"Different math, grammar, geography, etc"
Good God, do you really mean that? Explain yourself, please.
Canada is not Canada in other school districts?
2 + 2 = 9 in other places?
"I is a policeman" is proper grammar somewhere?
You cannot be serious.
Neither cops nor you know the law. That is the domain of judges and lawyers.
Specifically, who was raised to be a victim? Because I wasn't. I was raised to be informed citizen and professional in a two parent household. I've never once taken a handout from the government, let alone because of the color of my skin. That just sounds ridiculous. I used my GI bill that I earned to get a college education and never once been on welfare or any of the other government programs that some conservative whites believe are being abused only by black folk.
Listen, when the conservative media tells you to believe an entire segment of the US population has a victim mentality, you have to take it with a gain of salt. Most of the people that are yapping their mouths on conservative radio and Fox News are stirring up their useful idiots. They're keeping the low IQ people riled up in a bigoted frenzy so the people remain divided. Us vs. them keeps the money flowing in and the status quo in power...
You have the power to break the cycle Bentbow..
Affirmative Action at work.... Because of the color of one's skin, they are worthless without government...
You should be insulted.
Based upon the color of one's skin(How racist can one get)... Not the character of their being and the merits they bring to the table as an American.....
You have the only white privilege card in existence. I have never seen one nor do I ever expect to in the future. It's a myth/agenda ginned up by progressive liberals.
This is a duplicate thread, but let me answer truthfully.
I dont think we should push to have anyone in a job just to have more black people there,at least in the sense of an individual company.
If I want a job somewhere, I will apply there. If they choose not to look at my application simply because im black, then we have a problem, but I dont need someone advocating for more black people in one field just because they dont see any.
Now, how about the CBC pool their money (like they do for the CBC staffer bootcamp) and create a couple of scholarships just for black people who want to pursue a career in STEM ?
Because that would mean taking action rather than pointing fingers and making up problems that don't apply across the spectrum as they would wish. That is the easy way for them, actually putting money where their mouths are is another story and a bit harder for them.
Why don't you read what I actually said and get back to me.
On second thought, don't bother. My day is going quite well.
You wrote this:
"I find police or firefighter tests that are skewed against non minorities to be indefensible, but then, I see no need to defend it. And unless you can prove to me that white cops or firefighters are more competent than non white ones (and you couldn't in a million years), I'm certainly not gonna get exercised over the issue."
Admittedly, a rather rambling and slightly incoherent statement, but maybe you were angry or posting very quickly at work.
In any case, you seem to acknowledge the issue and then (as usual) dismiss its relevance while still getting excited enough to comment on it.
So, seeing as you think they are skewed, please explain exactly how. I would appreciate if you would find an actual test and go through it with us and explain why I could answer the question while a black man could not.
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