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Old 08-08-2015, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by smart-dumb-kid View Post
We seen the republican debate. Many of them take a pro life stance and want to see planned parenthood defunded, and by extension, abortion harder to obtain. We also know the right stance on the poor, from this very board to. To many see them as lazy, a burden, and not pulling their fair share. If the right gets there wish, then the problem here is transparent; how will we support these extra kids? It isn't a question of could we, but will we? You can't say tough luck, because you wanted these kids to be born. You have to pay for their healthcare, and well being. The foster care system will swell greatly and quickly to. Crime will likely rise as poorly raised kids will inevitably commit crime. Jobs will become more scarce as the children take up more of them. Homelessness will rise to. All of this will cost us hundreds of millions and most likely billions. This burden is something America can ill afford, but can with proper compromises, probably increased taxes or budget cuts. It will be a hard sell however, as many conservatives will be loathe to lend aid to welfare babies, or pay more taxes, or take cuts to programs they want. The solution to the influx of extra kids is something that isn't talked about by the GOP, but nonetheless needs to be.
Do you know how many anchor babies are born here? millions.. anchor babies are born here by illegal parents and those babies as long as they are born in the United States will be taken care of by the government.. that is why we have so many illegals coming here and having kids.. for the welfare perks and there are many.

 
Old 08-08-2015, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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no stawman at all.

North Dakota has no PP the nearest is So. Dakota in Sioux Falls. if you live in Williston ND your travel time is 9 hours.

if the GOP has it's way the trips between towns and clinics could be even longer.
Women and/ or parents with means will travel to a state where they can get an abortion, just as they did before Roe vs Wade. And by golly, some of them are conservatives.
 
Old 08-08-2015, 08:17 PM
 
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Women and/ or parents with means will travel to a state where they can get an abortion, just as they did before Roe vs Wade. And by golly, some of them are conservatives.
I don't disagree but its irrelevant. I can see a possible scenario where if many things went bad and I was stuck trying to feed my kids and I didn't have a job that I might steal some food.

Just because I possibly could find myself doing something wrong doesn't mean I should support making stealing legal.
 
Old 08-08-2015, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Do you know how many anchor babies are born here? millions.. anchor babies are born here by illegal parents and those babies as long as they are born in the United States will be taken care of by the government.. that is why we have so many illegals coming here and having kids.. for the welfare perks and there are many.
In 1982, SCOTUS struck down a Texas state law that enabled the state to charge $1000 tuition to parents of undocumented students. They said public schools must educate non- citizen children.

Immigrants have made creating an anchor baby a top priority for at least 100 years. It created a pathway to citizenship for the family and enabled the family to bring their extended family into the U.S.
 
Old 08-08-2015, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Pay checks of those who bred when they couldn't afford should be garnished. Those with no jobs should not get free money but enough food to feed the child. Plus they should be forced to pay for their children or lose them.
It costs the state more to take and place children than it does to keep some semblance of family intact.
foster families are paid to take kids and in theory, are monitored by Social Services.
 
Old 08-08-2015, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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All I can tell you is that our family has adopted two children born of unwed mothers who chose to give them life rather than abort them, and I am eternally grateful to those mothers.
 
Old 08-08-2015, 08:44 PM
 
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All I can tell you is that our family has adopted two children born of unwed mothers who chose to give them life rather than abort them, and I am eternally grateful to those mothers.
it does indeed take a special woman to give her children up for adoption.
 
Old 08-08-2015, 08:45 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I'm not defending the Republicans. I'm forwarding the argument that many care less about the plight of those not as fortunate as themselves.
In other words, you're deflecting from the conversation. If you are anti-choice, anti-birth control and what not, you better come prepared to support the children and adults that come out of these choices you push on the society.
 
Old 08-08-2015, 08:47 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Irrelevant.
No, it's not. QE wouldn't have been needed if the greedy public employees/retirees had agreed to give up their pensions, therefore letting the stock market adjust naturally to where it should be. Stocks are overvalued now because of the successive QEs.
 
Old 08-08-2015, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Absolutely, women and progressive libs who claim women exclusively own all rights to their vagina and everything and anything in it or from it, should be exclusively responsible for its and their results. Pay entirely for your own abortions and your own children since it's all from your exclusive 'property'. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
Valid point that a person seeking abortion, should pay for it. On the same note, a person being forced to bear child should be provided additional assistance, for as long as it takes to preserve that "life". Don't go whining and crying about Medicaid and public welfare later.
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