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This is actually the truth, but let me explain in more detail.
There are fundamentally two types of societies. You have matriarchal societies and patriarchal societies. In a matriarchal society, women rule(or at least have more power), and men largely only exist on the periphery. The females will usually have several sexual relationships over the course of their lives, jumping from one man to the next as it suits her needs.
This reproductive strategy is perfectly acceptable to a woman. Since all of her children are guaranteed to be her own, and her entire goal is to mate with the strongest genetic male, and then find a male that will help take care of her offspring. This does not have to be the same male. And she will throw out any male who no longer benefits her.
Furthermore, the strongest genetic male is not necessarily the most intelligent, the most productive, or the most cooperative. Rather, the strongest genetic male relates almost exclusively to masculinity. Intelligence tends to be of very little importance.
Matriarchal societies have only ever existed outside of civilization. They are always sedentary gatherer societies. Almost exclusively in warmer climates where food is abundant year-round. And thus it enables women to sustain themselves without the help of men(and since it "selects" for higher masculinity, the females tend to be more masculine as well).
In a patriarchal society, men rule(or have more power). And since males do not bear children, a male has to find a female to bear his children. But since he cannot know for sure if the child is his own, and because he has no interest whatsoever in raising another man's child. Men invent marriage. Which is the first form of communally-accepted property rights. He owns his wife(although they technically own each other). And if the wife cheats on him, it is adultery, and the punishment for adultery was often "death", for one or both parties involved.
From marriage, you create property rights and hereditary laws, and from those you can create civilization. Patriarchy is civilization. It promotes respect, cooperation, hard-work, loyalty, and intelligence.
There is no civilization that wasn't patriarchal, because you cannot have a civilization without patriarchy. Where matriarchy rises, civilization collapses. It always has, it always will.
This is my favorite quote by John Adams....
"From all that I had read of history and government, of human life and manners, I had drawn this conclusion, that the manners of women were the most infallible barometer to ascertain the degree of morality and virtue in a nation. All that I have since read, and all the observations I have made in different nations, have confirmed me in this opinion. The manners of women are the surest criterion by which to determine whether a republican government is practicable in a nation or not. The Jews, the - Greeks, the Romans, the Dutch, all lost their public spirit, their republican principles and habits, and their republican forms of government, when they lost the modesty and domestic virtues of their women.
The foundations of national morality must be laid in private families. In vain are schools, academies, and universities, instituted, if loose principles and licentious habits are impressed upon children in their earliest years. The mothers are the earliest and most important instructors of youth. The vices and examples of the parents cannot be concealed from the children. How is it possible that children can have any just sense of the sacred obligations of morality or religion, if, from their earliest infancy, they learn that their mothers live in habitual infidelity to their fathers, and their fathers in as constant infidelity to their mothers? Besides, the catholic doctrine is, that the contract of marriage is not only a civil and moral engagement, but a sacrament; one of the most solemn vows and oaths of religious devotion. Can they then believe religion, and morality too, anything more than a veil, a cloak, a hypocritical pretext, for political purposes of decency and convenience?"
Women are destroying everything(or more specifically, feminists, cultural Marxists, and liberals). But I don't really care anymore. I'm just going to play my fiddle while Rome burns. I neither think it can be saved, nor is there anything worth saving.
No one has provided the obvious answer to "why are young men dropping out of society?" Simple: For the first time, they can.
Parents are no longer demanding that young men get married NOW and become a "bread winner" and have a bunch of brats themselves. There is no major war requiring men to be drafted, and the economy is good enough for people to survive alone.
I have another question: why are young women not in the kitchen? Answer: society has gotten over that expectation.
It is gender roles going away. Just as women no longer have to be mother's raising kids and cooking but can choose to have a career, young men no longer have to be "breadwinners" chained to a desk or assembly line but can choose their own paths.
I personally work in a restaurant, but I am a manager, and have no interest in having a family, a wife, or a house. I will continue to work at a restaurant, smoke weed, and play video games broken only by occasionally dating for as long as I can. Why? Because I choose to.
And who cares? We are not a burden on society, we are not on welfare, not hurting anyone or anything. Saying "young men belong with wives and real jobs!" is like saying "young women belong in the kitchen."
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Parents are no longer demanding that young men get married NOW and become a "bread winner" and have a bunch of brats themselves... and the economy is good enough for people to survive alone.
You leave out a few facts. Why did parents(IE society) want them to get married and have kids in the first place? And couldn't men always support themselves with basic work? Couldn't women even support themselves with basic work(if they had no children)? Why were men so eager to get married, have children, and work so many hours to provide for them?
The actual change has been cultural, or really "civilizational". When men and women are married, they both do better than when they are alone. Marriage translates into safety, security, morality, empathy, cooperation, productivity, and cultural survival.
You leave out a few facts. Why did parents(IE society) want them to get married and have kids in the first place? And couldn't men always support themselves with basic work? Couldn't women even support themselves with basic work(if they had no children)? Why were men so eager to get married, have children, and work so many hours to provide for them?
The actual change has been cultural, or really "civilizational". When men and women are married, they both do better than when they are alone. Marriage translates into safety, security, morality, empathy, cooperation, productivity, and cultural survival.
Without women to love and care for, men are nothing but wild animals. Women civilize men, and in doing so, men have created civilization.
If you destroy the necessary ingredients for civilization, you destroy civilization. Our civilization is currently dying. And I say, "GOOD".
That is the biggest piece of slavish, herd propaganda I have ever heard of in awhile. Marriage does nothing of the sort as anyone who has seen a dysfunctional marriage break down. Marriage is great for some, but for others, it is horrible.
What we are seeing is simply men who should never had gotten married not marrying.
And what the hell is "cultural survival"? Cultures change all the time. The America of the 2010s is not the same as the America of the 1790s, and could never be that way again.
I am a man and I do not need to be "civilized" by any woman. I work, I pay taxes, and I stay out of trouble. So what if I enjoy video games and don't want to have kids?
I'm reading up on MGTOW (Men Going There Own Way) and am starting to agree with a lot of what it's saying. Women do not NEED men...and men do not NEED women.
It is gender roles going away. Just as women no longer have to be mother's raising kids and cooking but can choose to have a career, young men no longer have to be "breadwinners" chained to a desk or assembly line but can choose their own paths.
The older generation are just jealous that we don't have to get married to women who will become fat nags and we don't have to work nine-to-fives.
I very much agree. The extinguishing of gender roles has left the older generations confused and upset. They can't seem to accept that the younger generations just aren't interested in the old lifestyle. A lot of us have already been raised in broken homes. Some of us have been raised by "parents" who obviously didn't want us but had us just because it's what was expected of people at the time. No thanks. I'm not going to live a miserable life just to keep up with the Joneses.
Marriage does nothing of the sort as anyone who has seen a dysfunctional marriage break down. Marriage is great for some, but for others, it is horrible.
First let me say, I'm 35-years old. I have never been married, and I have no intention of ever being married. And I agree with your sentiments, the way things are now, you would have to be an idiot to get married.
Thus I have no intention whatsoever of trying to convince you to get married. I am merely a "social critic".
My point being, civilization has never existed without marriage and patriarchy, and it simply cannot exist without them. Western Civilization is currently dying, because it has taken for granted and turned its back on what actually made it great.
And what the hell is "cultural survival"? Cultures change all the time. The America of the 2010s is not the same as the America of the 1790s, and could never be that way again.
Culture isn't merely petty changes in clothing or music. Culture is a world-view. Most cultures are a reflection of their associated religions. And that religion creates the bedrock for that culture's values and "way-of-life". Without such a bedrock, societies become completely unstable, and tend to break apart, as there is nothing left to hold them together.
I do not believe America will last another hundred years. I can't imagine this country lasting another 50 years. There is nothing to tie us together. There is no American culture. There is no America. And most people have become so nihilistic, they see no point in absolutely anything.
When people like you and me hear someone say something about "What kind of world are we leaving for our grandchildren?"; We simply think "I'm not even going to have kids, so why do I care? And even if I did, I won't be around, and whatever happens will just be the new normal. It is neither good or bad."
I think you can agree that the world is not getting better. That our culture is definitely "going backwards", and that civil-society is breaking down.
I am a man and I do not need to be "civilized" by any woman. I work, I pay taxes, and I stay out of trouble. So what if I enjoy video games and don't want to have kids?
I'm reading up on MGTOW (Men Going There Own Way) and am starting to agree with a lot of what it's saying. Women do not NEED men...and men do not NEED women.
I think you misunderstand what they mean by "civilizing". Being uncivilized in this context is not about whether you commit crime, or if you work. It really boils down to selflessness.
People like you and me, we work, but we mostly only think of ourselves. We pay taxes, not because we want to, but because we have to. If we could get out of paying our taxes, we would. Everything we do becomes "does this benefit me?" And for the most part, the feelings of others isn't a major priority. To the extent that we consider other people's feelings at all, we have a generally pretty narrow focus. Maybe our close friends and family, but never "society".
Even when we think of society, it isn't genuine care for others, its more of a theoretical "What is good?"
As for MGTOW, it is basically the epitome of what I'm talking about. MGTOW(and meninism) is a response to feminism, and their incessant hatred and attacks on men. Why should a man deal with women at all, when in the vast majority of cases, we get punished for it? What benefit is there? Sex? You can get sex without having to deal with their crap, and even if you can't, there's porn.
I always say, the irony of feminism, is that men respect women less now than ever. As Dave Chappelle said, "Chivalry is dead, and women killed it".
I was watching a video the other day of men "hitting back" against violent women, and I was thinking to myself, its sad that I enjoy watching these women get hit by men. So why do I? Not because I think women should be treated poorly. But because women have basically gotten out-of-control. In fact, modern society has brought me to where I almost dislike women. I don't trust them at all. And this is coming from someone who had a wonderful relationship with his mother. I always treated her well. Never said a poor word to her in my entire life. Loved her more than anything else in this world.
I actually agree with feminists, misogyny is on the rise. But it is their fault. And what kind of world do we have when men don't trust women, and women don't trust men? What kind of world is it when men and women are each other's enemies? And our only purpose of interaction is merely for some temporary selfish benefit?
I don't believe this problem can be solved. So it is pointless to discuss it.
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When liberals want to punish the successful, I guess you should expect fewer successful people.
Thank goodness conservatives have solved so many of the problems we face!
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They haven't!
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