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Any social program that does not require job search and/or job (re)training is oppressive.
I am FOR helping people. I am NOT for getting people hooked on government heroin.
I'm afraid requiring people to do job search or job retraining isn't enough. You can require unmotivated people to do many things. But all they will do is figure out ways to beat the system.
I believe a better way to approach this is to somehow motivate people to lift themselves out of poverty.
I really really hate to sound like a right winger on this one, but I'm afraid raising the minimum wage won't help much. Both my parents worked minimum wage jobs and they were able to buy a house in a middle class neighborhood for us to live in.
I'm afraid requiring people to do job search or job retraining isn't enough. You can require unmotivated people to do many things. But all they will do is figure out ways to beat the system.
I believe a better way to approach this is to somehow motivate people to lift themselves out of poverty.
I really really hate to sound like a right winger on this one, but I'm afraid raising the minimum wage won't help much. Both my parents worked minimum wage jobs and they were able to buy a house in a middle class neighborhood for us to live in.
The answer is simple, have benefits tapper off over time. Have every check or subsidy shrink 1% a week starting after 3 months on the program.
I'm afraid requiring people to do job search or job retraining isn't enough. You can require unmotivated people to do many things. But all they will do is figure out ways to beat the system.
I believe a better way to approach this is to somehow motivate people to lift themselves out of poverty.
I really really hate to sound like a right winger on this one, but I'm afraid raising the minimum wage won't help much. Both my parents worked minimum wage jobs and they were able to buy a house in a middle class neighborhood for us to live in.
maybe 'right wingers' have been closer to right on this issue?
maybe we all benefit with both the right wingers and the left wingers start agreeing an issue is an issue (like you and I have done) and start working toward solition(s) that will work?
I think there is something to your point here. motivation is really important. I cannot think of better motivation than success.
I do NOT want to cut people off. nor do I want to end the very important social safety net. I do however want to see that social safety net become government heroin that people get addicted to and cannot shake.
it has noting to do with what government is spending. It has everything to do with the human condition.
maybe 'right wingers' have been closer to right on this issue?
maybe we all benefit with both the right wingers and the left wingers start agreeing an issue is an issue (like you and I have done) and start working toward solition(s) that will work?
I think there is something to your point here. motivation is really important. I cannot think of better motivation than success.
I do NOT want to cut people off. nor do I want to end the very important social safety net. I do however want to see that social safety net become government heroin that people get addicted to and cannot shake.
it has noting to do with what government is spending. It has everything to do with the human condition.
Well, the problem is that the loudest people on any issue tend to be also the crazies. The left breed out just as many crazies as the right. And unfortunately, these crazies usually are the ones who dominate politics.
Case in point. GWB became a president, yes? And yet, just a few short years before he became president, he was a champion of charging people and sending them to prison for doing something completely consensual and private. Bush on many occasions declared very loudly that he was 100% behind the anti sodomy laws and that he would veto any attempt at repealing that law.
I know someone will eventually ask me am I a 1-issue voter? After all, why not look at who benefits me more economically?
My answer to that has always been the same. Ain't matter how much money I've got. I can't spend it while in prison.
Wouldn't you agree that GWB was a crazy for being a champion of an extremely unjust law? And he got voted to the highest office in our country.
Crazies dominate on both sides of the fence. At the end of the day, nothing gets solved because the crazies on the right want to cut all social safety net programs and the crazies on the left insist on giving unlimited help to people without motivating them to lift themselves out of poverty. People who want to actually sit down and try to come up with a REAL solution often get drowned out by the crazies on either side.
America has had lots of great programs to help the under-privileged and have helped to create independence and happiness for many struggling people over the long term. Do you think public housing has fulfilled it's intention and mission to promote independence and freedom for the under-privileged and do you think changes could help the situation possibly? Are things progressing on this important front and have things improved substantially over the past decade or so? What programs are noteworthy and helpful in your opinion? Thanks
NOPE - it's NOT working so well. It's rife with Fraud according to the latest Inspector General's Report, dated July 21, 2015. Did you hear about it??? Of course not, this stuff is just not "newsworthy" enough for 24/7/365 "breaking news" that is basically Reality TV.
What We Audited and Why
We audited the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s (HUD) public housing program. We conducted the audit as part of our annual audit plan and a congressional request. Specifically, Congressman David P. Roe requested that we review the number of families residing ingovernment-subsidizedhousingwhoseincomeexceededcurrentincomel imits. Ouraudit objective was to determine the extent to which HUD-subsidized public housing units were occupied by overincome families and evaluate the impact of HUD policies.
What We Found
Public housing authorities provided public housing assistance to as many as 25,226 families whose income exceeded HUD’s 2014 eligibility income limits. Of these 25,226 families, 17,761 had earned more than the qualifying amount for more than 1 year. HUD regulations require families to meet eligibility income limits only when they are admitted to the public housing program. The regulations do not limit the length of time that families may reside in public housing.
The 15 housing authorities that we contacted choose to allow overincome families to reside in public housing. HUD did not encourage them to require overincome families to find housing in the unassisted market. As a result, HUD did not assist as many low-income families in need of housing as it could have. We estimate that HUD will pay $104.4 million over the next year for public housing units occupied by overincome families that otherwise could have been used to house low-income families.
This is FRAUD, this is CORRUPTION and it's nothing new. Look at the charts in this IG Report. The high income levels of these leeches will astound you. The ineptitude of Federal Agencies and the Federal Worker should be something we are all used to by now ..... oddly enough, it still shocks.
maybe 'right wingers' have been closer to right on this issue?
maybe we all benefit with both the right wingers and the left wingers start agreeing an issue is an issue (like you and I have done) and start working toward solition(s) that will work?
I think there is something to your point here. motivation is really important. I cannot think of better motivation than success.
I do NOT want to cut people off. nor do I want to end the very important social safety net. I do however want to see that social safety net become government heroin that people get addicted to and cannot shake.
it has noting to do with what government is spending. It has everything to do with the human condition.
I don't think this is a Partisan issue - or at least it shouldn't be. It's not "Right" or "Left". There are a lot of people (particularly single women with children) that NEED some help. Do ANY of us really want people will salaries over $100,000 using up the Public Housing resources and keeping those who really NEED it from getting a spot?
I don't think so. It's like most Agencies - full of Fraud and Corruption.
Somebody has to Clean House and the people (Right/Left/Middle/Black/White/Red/Yellow/Brown/Purple/Rainbow) have to step up and DEMAND that this stuff get's FIXED.
NOPE - it's NOT working so well. It's rife with Fraud according to the latest Inspector General's Report, dated July 21, 2015. Did you hear about it??? Of course not, this stuff is just not "newsworthy" enough for 24/7/365 "breaking news" that is basically Reality TV.
What We Audited and Why
We audited the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s (HUD) public housing program. We conducted the audit as part of our annual audit plan and a congressional request. Specifically, Congressman David P. Roe requested that we review the number of families residing ingovernment-subsidizedhousingwhoseincomeexceededcurrentincomel imits. Ouraudit objective was to determine the extent to which HUD-subsidized public housing units were occupied by overincome families and evaluate the impact of HUD policies.
What We Found
Public housing authorities provided public housing assistance to as many as 25,226 families whose income exceeded HUD’s 2014 eligibility income limits. Of these 25,226 families, 17,761 had earned more than the qualifying amount for more than 1 year. HUD regulations require families to meet eligibility income limits only when they are admitted to the public housing program. The regulations do not limit the length of time that families may reside in public housing.
The 15 housing authorities that we contacted choose to allow overincome families to reside in public housing. HUD did not encourage them to require overincome families to find housing in the unassisted market. As a result, HUD did not assist as many low-income families in need of housing as it could have. We estimate that HUD will pay $104.4 million over the next year for public housing units occupied by overincome families that otherwise could have been used to house low-income families.
This is FRAUD, this is CORRUPTION and it's nothing new. Look at the charts in this IG Report. The high income levels of these leeches will astound you. The ineptitude of Federal Agencies and the Federal Worker should be something we are all used to by now ..... oddly enough, it still shocks.
Sigh.
No its not fraud and corruption. From your own copy and paste:
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HUD regulations require families to meet eligibility income limits only when they are admitted to the public housing program. The regulations do not limit the length of time that families may reside in public housing.
Go read that again.
Now you want to be realistic and suggest that we should.....oh I dunno kick anyone off Section 8 whose income has exceeded the income limits? That might be reasonable, although rife with unintended side effects. Instead you go hollering about fraud, and corruption. Its nothing of the sort.
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