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Old 08-10-2015, 01:04 PM
 
Location: United States
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Originally Posted by Mag3.14 View Post
I don't need to read past the bold line. What you have done is a common misconception among gun lovers - they falsely attribute guns with safety, when in fact, the opposite is true.

Study after study show that being armed will not help you in terms of protection. In fact, many people make irrational choices when armed, have a feeling of heightened safety, and are more likely to endanger the people around them.
That may be true if you ignore the hundreds of thousands of times citizens use firearms to protect themselves every year. People use firearms to protect themselves far more often than criminals use guns to kill.

The facts are the facts, even when the anti-gun crowd doesn't like them.
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Old 08-10-2015, 01:13 PM
 
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We want our guns, and we casually accept (think Newtown--if that didn't change things, nothing we have seen yet will) that every day a few folks--both arguably good and bad--get killed.
Do you believe all the people killed in car accidents deserved to die? If not, why do you casually accept individual people being allowed to own cars?
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Old 08-10-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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Do you believe all the people killed in car accidents deserved to die? If not, why do you casually accept individual people being allowed to own cars?
If we're going to equate guns to cars, why not have similar requirements to own and operate a firearm as one does a car?
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Old 08-10-2015, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Earth
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Because one is a right and the other a privilege. If you understand the Constitution you'd know the difference.
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Old 08-10-2015, 01:49 PM
 
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Are you a cop? The FBI just published a study on some 160+ mass shootings in the past 10 years. In only one case, the shooter was stopped by a civilian with a gun. In 21 cases, the shooter was stopped by unarmed civilians. In the rest, they were either shot by a cop, or killed themselves, or were apprehended by the police.

The Violence Policy Center points out that Americans who legally carry concealed weapons are far more likely to perpetrate mass shootings than prevent them; it counts 29 such events since 2007. And while gun-wielding bystanders rarely curtail killings, they may aim badly and confuse the cops.

Keeping a gun at home is associated with a double or triple risk of homicide. What holds for homes is also true of states and countries: more guns mean more gun-related murders, tragic accidents and suicides. Yet, amid the drumbeat of bloody news, well-meaning, fearful individuals take the seemingly rational decision to arm themselves. Almost all plan to be prudent with their guns. That, alas, is what everyone thinks.


God, good guys and guns | The Economist
Typical ....

FAIL: Violence Policy Center Is Caught Fabricating Anti-Gun Data. Again. Still. - Bearing Arms - Crime Prevention Research Center, John Lott, Josh Sugarmann, Violence Policy Center
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Old 08-10-2015, 01:52 PM
 
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If we're going to equate guns to cars, why not have similar requirements to own and operate a firearm as one does a car?
I've been background checked, finger printed, taken classes and have to get an updated training certificate to renew my CPL every 5 years. What more do you want ? Adding more hoops for the legal owners to jump thru is not going to help.

I wonder what the 17 year old kid that shot the police car in Ferguson last night had to do for his firearm ?
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Old 08-10-2015, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Inland Northwest
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If we're going to equate guns to cars, why not have similar requirements to own and operate a firearm as one does a car?
Sure that'd work. People would own handguns at 16, instead of the 18 required right now. There'd be no more background checks for guns either, just a low quality multiple choice test. No questions about mental health, no fingerprints. Just pass a test and here's your gun, you highschool Sophomore/Junior have fun taking your Glock to the Prom!

Man, as if we did not need more confirmation of progressive stupidity in this thread.
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Old 08-10-2015, 01:56 PM
 
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The reason there is such a low instance of armed civilians stopping mass shootings is because if an armed citizen is in the area they usually stop the bad guy before they kill four or more people...the standard by which a shooting is categorized as MASS.

LOL


You, really don't understand how things work do you?
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:01 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I don't need to read past the bold line. What you have done is a common misconception among gun lovers - they falsely attribute guns with safety, when in fact, the opposite is true.

Study after study show that being armed will not help you in terms of protection. In fact, many people make irrational choices when armed, have a feeling of heightened safety, and are more likely to endanger the people around them.
Study after study...spare us the results of "study's". What you have done, is a common thing among hoplophobes, generalizing civilian self defense use of firearms, as wild spray and pray acts of panicked individuals. You're confusing civilian self defense shootings with LE shootings. Do some "studying" of your own, instead of regurgitating talking points from know nothing, anti 2A politicians and groups.

When a citizen uses a firearm , for self defense, whether in a home or on the street, the number of rounds, if any, fired is quite low. It would take several citizen defensive shootings, to equal the number of rounds fired in just ONE LE shooting. Look into it. That's undeniable fact. When the cops bring out their crunchentickers, projectiles fly like a stirred up hive of Africanized bees. In that regard, I agree with you, that bystander safety is a large concern.

Civilian self defense use of firearms is far more...restrained. For one thing, we armed citizens have the accountability for our fired rounds, firmly, in the front of our minds. Where those projectiles end up, is a top concern. Police put that out of their minds when the trigger finger goes to work. Civilian defensive shootings hold far more legal accountability for the one defending themselves, and believe me when I say, that fact is in play when any citizen decides lethal force is needed. Any honest, non criminal citizen, anyway.

There have been several civilian defensive uses of firearms, here in my area, within the last few months. Total number of rounds fired? Three. Two of those in one shooting, both of which wound up center mass of the criminal. In contrast, the last LE shooting, just one, saw 7 rounds fired, only one of which hit the criminal. In a non lethal area. One, particular LE shooting, a couple years ago, saw 4 officers fire 47 rounds, to the suspects 2, only ONE of the officer fired rounds was a hit. From a shotgun, which ended the "fight".

Sorry to say, but you have a seriously skewed and biased, bordering on bigoted, view of citizen self defense with firearms. But don't let reality get in the way of an entrenched prejudice and furtherance of biased misinformation, designed to spread irrational fear among the uninformed. It is an effective tactic. You probably manage to actually convince some folks they are better off with total reliance on the police for "protection", in the mistaken belief they are actually safer and more proficient in use of defensive firearms use than a clear thinking citizen.
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:12 PM
 
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Oh come on MaseMan. Get with the program.

Remember these simple rules:

All guns are good guns.
More guns in the hands of more people make us safer.
More guns make more profit for gun makers, and all profit is good.
Statistics showing US with 7X to 10X more gun deaths than other nations are lies.

In other words, turn off your brain. You will be happier.
So much Faux Snooze BS US has more than like 10 times more gun violence than another other country why because it is so easy to get a gun. In Europe and Asia like 90% to 95% of people do not have a gun and they have basically no gun violence and there country is pretty safe. Mores gun does not = less gun violence look at most other countries for proof, If you truly believe this your living in your own reality the gun manufactures want you to believe.
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