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Old 08-09-2015, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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The government will take as much as the citizens allow it to. Once people became very wealthy, the state naturally wanted a bigger piece and started promising everything to everyone. That's exactly what some of the early thinkers predicted would happen, because that's what happens in a democratic system.
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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Originally Posted by Wartrace View Post
Is Medicaid not welfare?

Let me fix the breakdown for you

16.5% goes to medicare
19.25% goes to social welfare/safety net programs incl. tax credits and medical welfare.
18% goes to defense
8% to benefits for federal retirees & veterans

Lets not forget the states burden for medicaid. The States pick up the other half of the medicaid bill
How come you've left out the 16% of the Federal budget that goes to pay the interest on Treasury Bonds called T-bills that have to be issued each and every month to pay for all that above stuff that we refuse to set Taxes high enough to pay off. In the not too distant future this single item will be the largest single item in the Federal Budget -larger than Defense spending, Social Security or Medicare! The fact we have been running a Federal Budget Deficit since the 1960s is evidence Americans fail to collect enough taxes to pay for all this junk the nation feels it needs or is entitled too! Stupid little sequesters or cuts in small but surprisingly valuable but obscure Government programs like the National Parks, NIH, MOAA, USGS or Coast Guard wont ever balance the budget. raising taxes (from 16 to 18.5 % a 15-16% increase) or major cuts in something like Defense (i.e 30-40%) or both (i.e. a smaller tax increase i.e. 8%) coupled with a 20% Defense cut) will. This could have been done any time in the last 50 years except for political cowardness shared by people like LBJ (We can have bothGuns and Butter) Richard Nixon (the Peace Dividend that never came) , Ronald Reagan (Deficits Don't Matter when its morning in America ), George W Bush (Let's Keep this little war off the books and the treasury and FED Bailouts ) and Barack Obama (Qualitative Easing and other financial delights).
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Illegals know how to collect as well.. if they have a baby here they can get all the benefits and it is driving up taxes and health care costs for all Americans.. I don't understand how the democrats can support Obama who is taking the rights of Americans citizens and cheapening it ..we have to pay for illegals who use the system..
Immigrants, legal and otherwise, made having an anchor baby a top priority because it created a path to citizenship and enable other family members to immigrate.

The U.S. has been educating anchor babies and children born elsewhere all along.

Illegal immigration from Mexico became a tidal wave in the 80's. The U.S. responded with amnesty and promises from Reagan to secure the border and crack down on employment of undocumented workers. Reagan failed to deliver on that promice.

Fast forward to the Bush 2 years. His Admin proposed amnesty. It did not fly within his own party which held the majority. He vowed to try again which helped him get the Hispanic vote for a second term. bush did indeed try again and once again his own party failed to support their president.

30 years of doing nothing, regardless of who sat the oval or held the majority was no accident. " Doing nothing" became defacto amnesty.
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Old 08-09-2015, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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They want a two tiered system. The very very wealthy and the poor.
They are deliberately squeezing out the middle class into the poor on purpose in order to prepare for the new world order. George Orowell would turn over in his grave if he saw what's happening now, and what is planned for our future
Actually , George Orwell would join his alter ego Winston Smith at that little corner bar for a good glass of Victory Gin all while watching that big flat screen telescreen broadcasting the latest war news from the Ministry of Truth (Minitrue in Newspeak) . We love BB.

I think George Orwell the pen name for Eric Blair would feel vindicated.
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:31 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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So you know absolutely NOTHING.. The CBO says ACA will add $1.5 Trillion to the debt, and thats just in the FIRST decade...
In 2012 the CBO "estimated that Obamacare would reduce deficits by $109 billion over a decade." Since then budgetary windows and growth rates have changed, and in late 2014 the CBO calculated Obamacare will increase the deficit by $131 billion over the next decade.
CBO Projections Indicate Obamacare Will Raise Deficits by $131 Billion | The Weekly Standard

And on a separate note the CBO says repealing Obamacare would add $353 billion to our deficits.
Repealing ObamaCare would add $353 billion to deficits, CBO says | TheHill

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Furthermore, the "math" that he was going to add $6.6T to the debt through tax cuts is nonsense.. something stupid idiots believe because there hasnt been a period in time that cutting taxes resulted in less revenues.
In reality the Bush tax cuts cost $2.1 trillion in lost revenue from 2001 to 2010, if you add interest payments to the debt that number goes up to around $2.5 trillion.
How Much Did the Bush Tax Cuts Cost in Forgone Revenue? | Tax Foundation

Even GW Bush's own Treasury Department confirmed that cutting taxes decreases revenues.
Tax Cuts: Myths and Realities | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

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Clinton HIMSELF discovered that when he cut capital gains rates from 28% to 20% and "balanced" the budget..
Capital gains tax cuts reduce revenues in the long run. When you first lower capital gains there is a slight revenue increase (because people cash out their capital gains or do capital gains business at that time.) Capital gains revenue increases are only temporary and have nothing to do with economic growth, instead these revenue increases are caused by human greed.

Do capital gains tax cuts increase revenues? | TIME.com
"Capital Gains Tax Cuts Decrease Revenue over the Long Run and Hurt the" by Richard H. Serlin

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According to your wild ridiculous economic theories, debt should have skyrocketed during the Clinton years..
No the debt should have fallen because Clinton raised taxes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibu...on_Act_of_1993

Last edited by chad3; 08-10-2015 at 12:58 AM..
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Old 08-09-2015, 11:52 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Actually you are being dishonest again because you moved the goal post from $6.6 trillion to now $8.6 trillion


And that was HIS FIRST TERM ALONE, and doesnt even count the $1.5 TRILLION to be spent on obamacare

I have to ask myself if you left wing liberals know ANYTHING
-Money Added To Our Debt By B. Obama.

1.) $831 billion dollars with the 2009 Stimulus (money to be added between 2009 and 2019.)

2.) Obamacare- $131 billion dollars added to our debt (in the next 10 years.)
CBO Projections Indicate Obamacare Will Raise Deficits by $131 Billion | The Weekly Standard

3.) Obama extending many of the Bush tax cuts, approximately $2.8 trillion dollars (2013-2022)
Budget Deal Makes Permanent 82 Percent of President Bush
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:01 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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If conservatives stop worrying so much about what people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms, I imagine they would capture a very large voting block of the population.
I think you may be confused about which way the anti-gay population votes. African-Americans are the most anti-gay demographic and they overwhelmingly vote D.

Why are blacks lagging on openness to gay marriage? - latimes
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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As the father of a Gay son and involved with PFLAG over the years, I must say you are falling for the Democrat fed propaganda.

Most conservatives I know are more moderate to liberal in our views of gays and don't care who your partner might be.
What we oppose is what you are complaining about. High taxes and a socialist agenda.

Many Democrats are NOT gay friendly, they just want your vote and your money.
You need to open your mind and look at your pocketbook to see who's side you're really on.
Exactly. I just posted something very similar.
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:27 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Originally Posted by chad3 View Post
People who make $18,000 a year could not afford to live if they paid federal taxes.

Rent- $800 per month...
I stopped right there because people earning $18,000 per year shouldn't be paying $800 per month in rent. They should get a roommate, or two, and live within their means like most of us did before we worked our way up into higher income levels.
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Old 08-10-2015, 02:55 AM
 
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Every month, I look at my stubs and see that I've paid thousands in taxes. And this is on top of my property taxes.

Last christmas, I got $7k in christmas bonus. But almost half of that went into taxes.

I work on average of 55-65 hours a week. I work extra hard and take pride in my job. But... sometimes I feel like the more and harder I work the more I get penalized.

And then I turn around and see people who aren't motivated at all and pump out babies just for the sake of breeding. And they're on food stamps on a permanent basis.

Don't get me wrong. I'm as liberal as the next guy. I believe that those we as a society ought to have a safety net in place to catch people who have fallen. We all need it. Any one of us could get laid off tomorrow.

But these safety nets should be meant as temporary. Some people I personally know are on these food stamps and other social safety programs permanently. They walk out of jobs they don't like just to keep their overall wages down.

And now there are reports of people in Seattle asking to work less because they fear losing their benefits because the minimum wage increased.

I've worked hard all my life. I guess I don't mind paying the ridiculous high rates in my income bracket so much if I knew my tax dollars are going toward helping people who have fallen AS WELL AS weaning them off the social programs. But as it stands, that's not the case is it?

Don't pretend like you don't know what I'm talking about. We've all seen the ridiculously large and very poor families using food stamps at the store. And most of the time the women are pregnant. In other words, I work hard every day and pay thousands in taxes each month to fund these women to keep pumping out kids.

That makes me very depressed.
Because you are supporting deadbeats.
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