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Old 08-16-2015, 02:38 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Maybe, just maybe, you were mislead as to its real purpose and, because of peer pressure or other progressive biases, haven't awoken to the reality of what you're faced with or haven't willingly acknowledged it yet.
I give up. What is its real purpose? To jet plutocrats, autocrats and kleptocrats around the world?
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Old 08-16-2015, 02:40 PM
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I give up. What is its real purpose? To jet plutocrats, autocrats and kleptocrats around the world?
You're getting warmer.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:43 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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You're getting warmer.
OK, just to make politicians feel good?
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Old 03-06-2016, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Kirkland, WA (Metro Seattle)
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Those UN boats should deliver the "refugees" right back to the cost of Libya/Algeria/Morocco.
Of course they should, and eventually (maybe much later, maybe much sooner) that is exactly what will happen. When the West says "enough" to invading swarms of low-skill people in increasingly high-tech societies.

This is a six month old thread, as I write, and much has changed. This particular problem has apparently gotten much worse, and might get far worse still when spring 2016 rolls around. Sweden, for example, has apparently said "enough" as have Hungary, Austria, and a few other countries.

Or, who knows: maybe magic fairy-dust will make this all go away. More likely, absent that and/or a helluva lot more concertina wire, army on the border, and minefields, the countries that are forced to deal with the invasion are lowered to the same Malthusian equilibrium of ignorance and poverty as the invader's homeland(s). Western peoples simply aren't going to stand for that, not long at-least. No one could, or should.

I find a rough analogy in Haiti, where a miserably overcrowded and corrupt country was hit dead-center by a devastating natural disaster (end of 2010), and promptly collapsed socially. I don't recall too many asking why the disaster caused so much trouble to begin with, absent their blaming others. Call me skeptical that much has improved there in the half-decade since.

The first step in dealing with problems is asking for help, then accepting responsibility and accountability once that help is received (from the UN, NGOs, etc.) to ensure the issue can't happen again. If you're in the middle of a war, join the army with half a million friends and overthrow the source of the trouble. Only next time, maybe consider electing (or installing) a strongman (strongwoman?) more inline with long term economic growth for all vs. some autocratic murdering barbarian prince.
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:21 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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This is a six month old thread, as I write, and much has changed. This particular problem has apparently gotten much worse, and might get far worse still when spring 2016 rolls around. Sweden, for example, has apparently said "enough" as have Hungary, Austria, and a few other countries.

Or, who knows: maybe magic fairy-dust will make this all go away. More likely, absent that and/or a helluva lot more concertina wire, army on the border, and minefields, the countries that are forced to deal with the invasion are lowered to the same Malthusian equilibrium of ignorance and poverty as the invader's homeland(s). Western peoples simply aren't going to stand for that, not long at-least. No one could, or should.
Thanks for bumping the thread. I agree that much has changed, and all in the wrong direction. The Paris attacks, however, may bring some reality. Except for peoples' short memory that is.

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The first step in dealing with problems is asking for help, then accepting responsibility and accountability once that help is received (from the UN, NGOs, etc.) to ensure the issue can't happen again. If you're in the middle of a war, join the army with half a million friends and overthrow the source of the trouble. Only next time, maybe consider electing (or installing) a strongman (strongwoman?) more inline with long term economic growth for all vs. some autocratic murdering barbarian prince.
The OP, which I wrote, was satirical. I know the U.N. and the NGO's will do no such thing. They are dedicated to wating money at the public teet.
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