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Old 08-14-2015, 12:48 PM
 
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The probability of recovering a drive that has been wiped is very close to zilch. Hysterisis exists but even a very few random number passes and you play hell digging it out.

Simply folklore.

 
Old 08-14-2015, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Gee and I thought this thread is about Hillary Clinton and US law.
Stay on topic or create a new thread and you can then discuss that topic until you turn blue in the face.
Otherwise the topic is - HILLARY CLINTON.

OP - I suggest contacting the mods to remove off topic responses.
I was replying to a subject another member posted.

You probably don't like the reply I posted which is why you are claiming "off-topic."
 
Old 08-14-2015, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Oh puh leeze - if none of the Wallstreet thiefs went to prison after robbing millions blind and screwing up the entire U.S. economy for years, there's NO reason for Hillary to go. Priorities, please.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 02:39 PM
 
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The probability of recovering a drive that has been wiped is very close to zilch. Hysterisis exists but even a very few random number passes and you play hell digging it out.

Simply folklore.
Oh it's a lot more than folklore. Anyone who understands server administration knows this isn't the case.
  • The server was not at her house as commonly implied by the media.
  • It had been sent to a co-location site to be managed by a professional IT shop. This was some years ago.
  • This IT shop, BTW, is currently being sued for security breaches.
  • Once it was there, and assuming they wanted it to be protected, then there will be routine backups made of the server.
  • There will also be off site storage of server images for disaster recovery purposes.
  • There may even be even be duplicate server images (snapshots) for redundancy and quick recovery reasons.
  • This is standard procedure for this sort of thing.
  • Furthermore, the people administering the server may also have copies for diagnostic reasons which the FBI will want to see.
  • Hopefully none of these remote server administrators were not outside the USA. That will open up another whole can of worms.
So there is a lot more for the FBI to go after than just a single hard disk. Just because the drive was wiped, doesn't mean all the other stuff I mentioned was destroyed. These days it's very hard to get rid of this kind of evidence unless you know exactly what you are doing and there is a lot of intent.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 03:04 PM
 
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I just don't understand the blind loyalty to Hillary, as shown in this thread. She cares not one whit about you, yet you try to excuse away her obvious transgressions. Why is that?
 
Old 08-14-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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Seven passes is considered good enough by the DoD, although some erroneously quote the number at three. Everyone else concerned with security goes for 35).
This is incorrect. You were on a roll with good info but you hit a brick wall with the above. You may want to re-research your assumptions with regards to this topic.

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The probability of recovering a drive that has been wiped is very close to zilch. Hysterisis exists but even a very few random number passes and you play hell digging it out.

Simply folklore.
LOL!! lvoc the IT guru strikes again!
 
Old 08-14-2015, 03:08 PM
 
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Oh it's a lot more than folklore. Anyone who understands server administration knows this isn't the case.
  • The server was not at her house as commonly implied by the media.
  • It had been sent to a co-location site to be managed by a professional IT shop. This was some years ago.
  • This IT shop, BTW, is currently being sued for security breaches.
  • Once it was there, and assuming they wanted it to be protected, then there will be routine backups made of the server.
  • There will also be off site storage of server images for disaster recovery purposes.
  • There may even be even be duplicate server images (snapshots) for redundancy and quick recovery reasons.
  • This is standard procedure for this sort of thing.
  • Furthermore, the people administering the server may also have copies for diagnostic reasons which the FBI will want to see.
  • Hopefully none of these remote server administrators were not outside the USA. That will open up another whole can of worms.
So there is a lot more for the FBI to go after than just a single hard disk. Just because the drive was wiped, doesn't mean all the other stuff I mentioned was destroyed. These days it's very hard to get rid of this kind of evidence unless you know exactly what you are doing and there is a lot of intent.
It went to the commercial shop after being wiped. It was its own backup before that. I believe that it also had a cloud backup at one time but again after it was wiped.

I would certainly agree that any commercial operation is likely impossible to get rid of fully...but if you set up your own machine it is reasonable straight forward.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 03:09 PM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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I just don't understand the blind loyalty to Hillary, as shown in this thread. She cares not one whit about you, yet you try to excuse away her obvious transgressions. Why is that?
I can't help but wonder the same thing.
 
Old 08-14-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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Question for you: who in "the DoD" says that seven passes is good enough? And, "good enough" for what exactly? Bonus points if you can find and link to the actual policy document that discusses this topic. Hint: any reference to an acceptable number of passes is wrong.


LOL!! lvoc the IT guru strikes again!
Unlike some posting here I know a bit about disks. In fact I own a patent on disk seek algorithms. Your credentials?
 
Old 08-14-2015, 03:24 PM
 
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[quote=lvoc;40823209]Unlike some posting here I know a bit about disks. In fact I own a patent on disk seek algorithms. Your credentials

I do too. A bit. My mails are archived on the provider server, so if I delete them locally, they still reside on the provider server (not to mention the sender server). Nothing to do with disk seek algorithm, unfortunately.

No reason to go to bat for the subject at hand, unless you are on the payroll. So are you? If not, what is your motivation?

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