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Old 08-14-2015, 09:54 AM
 
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Politics: what if Americans were more interested in the facts rather than indulging in sensationalism, propaganda and biased rhetoric? Which way do you lean, vote, and why? Facts and sound reason, please to the extent possible, critical thinking. For all the rest, there is always Fox news.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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Politics: what if Americans were more interested in the facts rather than indulging in sensationalism, propaganda and biased rhetoric? Which way do you lean, vote, and why? Facts and sound reason, please to the extent possible, critical thinking. For all the rest, there is always Fox news.
I saw a bumper sticker on a car a couple weeks ago that said "FOX NEWS -- CHANGE THE CHANNEL". Why are leftists so upset about FOX NEWS? It's one of the most balanced places to go for political news. I mean, sure, the hosts of their political commentary shows (Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Megyn Kelly) all clearly have a bias to the right (well, maybe not Kelly) but they're all open about that and they feature a lot of representatives on their shows from the left to debate subjects, and they give all participants plenty of talking time and respect their views.

You don't get that from watching mainstream news in this country. If all you watch is ABC/CBS/NBC, etc, you get a liberal host who features the stories he or she wants you to hear, and very little input from the political right.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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Politics: what if Americans were more interested in the facts rather than indulging in sensationalism, propaganda and biased rhetoric? Which way do you lean, vote, and why? Facts and sound reason, please to the extent possible, critical thinking. For all the rest, there is always Fox news.
That's not gonna happen. CNN and Fox and any other news channel will always have an agenda. This is where you have to use your critical thinking skills to figure out what is propaganda and what are facts.

And the average American likes sensationalism anyway.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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Great question!

I explained this before. I will be lazy and just copy/paste the same thing here again...

I don't watch but a bare minimum of TV and beside the occasional local headlines and weather, the only news I watch on TV is the PBS Newshour. There is no better, more balanced, commercial-free one hour of news anyone could watch that is interested in facts over hype, foreign and domestic news rather than American sensationalism. Fox, CNN and the likes of MSNBC are in an entirely different category, blatantly catering to their mostly conservative audience.

Any "show" that relies on TV advertising revenue to exist is obviously a primary suspect of pandering to their base audience that is easily determined by looking up their particular demographic. O'Reilly's audience, for example, is by no means a balanced demographic and so there is no surprise that his show, just like Fox news, leans a good deal to the right to keep that audience happy and wanting to come back.

PS: The one positive thought that went through my head as I watched that Fox circus of a debate was that all the antics and hoopla were perhaps drawing more viewers. Maybe there is something to be said for that, since another BIG problem we have in general is widespread voter apathy. Maybe anything to hype an interest in politics is better than nothing.

On the other hand, when it is people like Trump who can pander to an audience more interested in entertainment over good governance, also to Tea Party types who love to hear ANYTHING bad about government, Palin enthusiasts, Rush Limbaugh followers, etc., I'm not sure more viewers like those is a good thing...

Also btw, I scan about 10 news websites every morning before work, domestic and foreign, and doing so is about the only way I have found that really begins to provide a "balanced" understanding of what is going on around us, best I've been able to do anyway...
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:37 AM
 
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I saw a bumper sticker on a car a couple weeks ago that said "FOX NEWS -- CHANGE THE CHANNEL". Why are leftists so upset about FOX NEWS? It's one of the most balanced places to go for political news.
The reasons is because anyone who can claim that Fox News is the most balanced outlet for political news is seriously deluded.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:38 AM
 
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PS: The one positive thought that went through my head as I watched that Fox circus of a debate was that all the antics and hoopla were perhaps drawing more viewers. Maybe there is something to be said for that, since another BIG problem we have in general is widespread voter apathy. Maybe anything to hype an interest in politics is better than nothing.

On the other hand, when it is people like Trump who can pander to an audience more interested in entertainment over good governance, also to Tea Party types who love to hear ANYTHING bad about government, Palin enthusiasts, Rush Limbaugh followers, etc., I'm not sure more viewers like those is a good thing...
Good post. Personally, I think Trump is doing something great for politics in this country. If you think back to 2008, Obama got the Democratic base in this country so fired up that people were going out to his rallies in the thousands and crying tears of joy. It was a very emotional experience for some of these people... even taking their kids out of school to attend.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

Even years later, the base was so fired up they were out on the streets ranting and raving about how much they love Obama and how the oppposition (Mr. Romney) SUCKS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

So I don't see what's wrong with Trump reaching out to conservatives to get them excited about a political campaign for once? It's been a long time since conservatives have had a candidate that is articulate, strong, and willing to fight for his beliefs. Romney had some good ideas, but he was too cookie cutter and weak willed. The right doesn't want to repeat that mistake this time around, so it's clearly time to try something new.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:41 AM
 
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The reasons is because anyone who can claim that Fox News is the most balanced outlet for political news is seriously deluded.
I guess you didn't read my post. I didn't say FOX is the most balanced source of news, just that it is a better option than the mainstream news outlets to get a good representation of current political events and the talking points on both the left and right.

I've found from speaking to people in real life that most people who trash FOX News the most never actually watch it, and only get their highlights from watching Jon Stewart on Comedy Central (which, in itself, is a terrible source for news and extremely biased to the left). Of course, that's how most liberals get their news...
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:42 AM
 
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Politics: what if Americans were more interested in the facts rather than indulging in sensationalism, propaganda and biased rhetoric? Which way do you lean, vote, and why? Facts and sound reason, please to the extent possible, critical thinking. For all the rest, there is always Fox news.
LOL at your suggestion that only Fox news "bends" the facts. ALL the news media is biased in one direction or another. Sensationalism, propaganda and biased rhetoric are the tools BOTH parties employ to misdirect those too stupid to understand what they really stand for. New and politics in the country have devolved to sound bites.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:47 AM
 
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Politics: what if Americans were more interested in the facts rather than indulging in sensationalism, propaganda and biased rhetoric? Which way do you lean, vote, and why? Facts and sound reason, please to the extent possible, critical thinking. For all the rest, there is always Fox news.
Proving you are already biased and indulging in propaganda and not facts.
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:49 AM
 
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I saw a bumper sticker on a car a couple weeks ago that said "FOX NEWS -- CHANGE THE CHANNEL". Why are leftists so upset about FOX NEWS? It's one of the most balanced places to go for political news. I mean, sure, the hosts of their political commentary shows (Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, and Megyn Kelly) all clearly have a bias to the right (well, maybe not Kelly) but they're all open about that and they feature a lot of representatives on their shows from the left to debate subjects, and they give all participants plenty of talking time and respect their views.

You don't get that from watching mainstream news in this country. If all you watch is ABC/CBS/NBC, etc, you get a liberal host who features the stories he or she wants you to hear, and very little input from the political right.

You are seriously delusional if you think Fox "feature a lot of representatives on their shows from the left to debate subjects, and they give all participants plenty of talking time and respect their views." There are tons of sound bites of Fox hosts being ******** to liberals. They don't respect anyone's views but their own. It is nowhere near "Fair and Balanced". Also, lol at that last sentence. Fox ONLY covers stories that will rile up their base, with little interest in fairness or balance. That really had me laughing, thank you!

FYI: I try not to watch any of those news outlets, as they all suck.
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