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Old 08-16-2015, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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All that means is the government should find another similar position for the person to work in as long as one is available.
We do it at my work all the time, someone as an ada/dr note for specific reasons and they get shifted to another job in the organization with the same classification.
I have no problem with it besides when they are elected officials like county clerks and attorney generals. If they can't do the duty, hold them in contempt of court and force them out of office.

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Since the beneficiaries of a marriage contract are the legitimate children, there's no benefit or reason for marriage between non-breeding couples... under the common law.
As to access of socialist benefits and entitlements, like surviving spouse, that boondoggle will help bankrupt SocSec that much sooner. ("Spouses" do not have to pay a dime into FICA in order to get benefits)
Bring it on. Bleed the beast!
So what about foster children or step-children, aren't they beneficiaries too? Are you also forgetting that gays can have sperm donors or egg donors?
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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The AG here in PA refused to defend PA's gay marriage laws and gun laws. This duty is clearly outlined in PA code. Should she have been removed from office? If you say no you're a hypocrite.
The ban on gay marriage has been ruled unconstitutional and the ban in PA was unconstitutional.
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:08 PM
 
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If she is not obeying any law not superseded by SCOTUS rulings, he should be subject to recall.
I'm glad you agree. We don't have recall, it's impeachment and unlikely it would have been successful. They had to appoint special council to defend those laws.

She's been political since day one and is probably going to jail because of it. She can actually be disbarred and removed from office before the trial which is a very distinct possibility since both parties want her gone at this point.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us...case.html?_r=0
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:11 PM
 
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The ban on gay marriage has been ruled unconstitutional and the ban in PA was unconstitutional.
It was the law in PA at the time. Her duties as AG is to defend the laws of PA when challenged, period. This would include laws she disagrees with. Obviously we can't have an AG deciding what laws to defend.

Should she have been removed from office for not performing her duties? If you say no you're being a hypocrite.
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It was the law in PA at the time. Her duties as AG is to defend the laws of PA when challenged, period. This would include laws she disagrees with. Obviously we can't have an AG deciding what laws to defend.

Should she have been removed from office for not performing her duties? If you say no you're being a hypocrite.
That's fine, I don't mind being a hypocrite when fighting against something that is unconstitutional. I am sure you would support someone ignoring gun bans as well.
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:23 PM
 
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That's fine, I don't mind being a hypocrite when fighting against something that is unconstitutional.
It was the law at the time, it's the courts that are to decide the constitutionality. It's the AG's duty to defend the law.
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:28 PM
 
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I'm glad you agree. We don't have recall, it's impeachment and unlikely it would have been successful. They had to appoint special council to defend those laws.

She's been political since day one and is probably going to jail because of it. She can actually be disbarred and removed from office before the trial which is a very distinct possibility since both parties want her gone at this point.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/us...case.html?_r=0
I agree as the gun law is intact; Pa's SSM laws are moot post SCOTUS (and I understand less enforcement pre SCOTUS as the ruling was known to be coming, and quite obvious in outcome..long in advance). But even not obeying 1 law is not acceptable..whether it is a law I like or hate.
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:30 PM
 
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But even not obeying 1 law is not acceptable..whether it is a law I like or hate.
Again Bob that was her lawful duty and it's important one. You can't have an AG picking and choosing what the law should be.
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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It was the law at the time, it's the courts that are to decide the constitutionality. It's the AG's duty to defend the law.
Yep, and the AG didn't defend an unconstitutional law, move on with your life, marriage is now legal in the US.
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:43 PM
 
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Yep, and the AG didn't defend an unconstitutional law....
What you are failing to understand is it was the law at the time, it's the courts job to decide the constitutionality and that was not decided yet. It was the AG's duty to defend it, that's the law. That was her job just like it's the clerks job to issue a marriage license.

The law is the law, government employees and elected officials should be strictly held to them.
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