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Yeah, my thoughts are similar. The term "grow a set " comes to mind.
This. Men have so much power over women. I suppose they do not realize. So long as you are dominant in relationships,casual or serious, then you have nothing to fear. Be the Man always and life is ok.
Do the obvious...ensure you do not impregnate one. Be sure about the one you want to be your wife. Always evaluate your women.
Right now there is a section of the male population who feel seriously aggrieved and under represented, it's been on the cards for quite a while. Men universally will not get custody of their children unless the mother is a proven risk, because it's claimed women are better at parenting, do you see anything wrong with this claim, all women are better than all men by virtue of being women? Again with custody women are far more likely to deny visitation for any real or actual insult or action, holding the child to ransom without redress, if men try the same it can result in new custody hearings. Divorce can be terrible for men, it's been a standard tactic for lawyers of divorcing wives to file DVRO's against the husband (whether guilty or not) and make false claims, as it can improve their chances of winning better property division and benefits at the divorce (regardless of veracity of the claims). There's a whole bunch of legal actions that can only be taken by men against women if there is complete and substantiated evidence, that are taken by women solely on their claim. When there is an imbalance in equality, then either the imbalance is redressed (or you can tilt the balance further towards greater imbalance, resulting in oppression), or the area of that inequality will be avoided, you're just beginning to see those areas of inequality being avoided and reasons given.
One point I will make is that people shouldn't mistake this as a movement back to the "good ol' days" I'm mid 40's and I'm not old enough to remember the "good ol' days", as most of these men are younger than I, they have less chance of remembering them, maybe if they did they would feel less aggrieved.
[Loud klaxon blaring] You got that right.
The matriarchy, utilizing the socialist legislation enacted after 1930, has effectively eradicated justice for men.
Frankly, socialism (FICA) would never have been accepted if it wasn't for the support of the female voting bloc. In 1935, the actuarial data for male lifespan was around 58 - 60, while women were 65 - 70. It was obvious which gender would receive the lion's share of post 65 "retirement benefits." Any woman who saw the plight of old widows, jumped at the chance to indenture all those strong working men for their own benefit. (Including "spousal benefits" for women who never worked nor contributed to FICA)
Ironically, it backfired when men began to live longer, and the socialist tax burden forced more women into the workforce. Socialist expenditures now consume 56% of the Federal budget.
In retrospect, perhaps it was foolish to agree to indentured servitude, and gallantly die so that women would enjoy a better life. How many families suffered from the inequitable divorces? How many children endured mental anguish as the "X"s engaged in psychological warfare with them?
In the event that a large portion of men withdraw from FICA, the recipient class and the remaining donors would probably not be capable of supporting it, and it would collapse.
[] No more noncustodial child support
[] No more aid to families with dependent children
[] No more food stamps
What will women's liberation do then, when there's no more Sugar Daddy State?
Will women suffer the indignity of submitting to their men, to get their support?
Ida May Fuller was the first beneficiary of recurring monthly Social Security payments.
Miss Fuller's claim was the first one on the first Certification List and so the first Social Security check, check number 00-000-001, was issued to Ida May Fuller in the amount of $22.54 and dated January 31, 1940.
She received monthly Social Security checks until her death in 1975 at age 100. By the time of her death, Fuller had collected $22,888.92 from Social Security monthly benefits, compared to her contributions of $24.75 to the system.
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“The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work within the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one...”
- - - The Social Security Administration
I think, after page after page after page of this thread, we all now understand the views of MGTOW. But, just like at the beginning, still don't care. Do what you want and don't do what you don't. No need to let the world know. Just live your life and stop looking for validation of your lifestyle or converts to your cause. It comes off as juvenile and self-aggrandizing.
People respond to incentives(rewards and consequences). The reason the MGTOW thing started(which was going on long before it had a name) is because society has taken away most of the rewards for relationships/family/marriage, and began handing out bigger and bigger penalties.
And what makes our system even worse, is that the best men are the ones most punished. While the worst men are the most rewarded by it.
As I've said elsewhere on these boards, the cause of this is from the shift from patriarchy to matriarchy.
As many know, men want "good girls", while women want "bad boys". When men rule, society becomes "more good"(IE more respectful, more responsible, monogamy, hard-work, etc), because that is the male ideal. When women rule, society becomes completely dysfunctional and degenerate.
Lets understand that intelligent men want monogamy. Intelligent men tend to be very risk averse. Intelligent men do not like to gamble. Intelligence gives one the ability to plan for the future, and especially to understand how decisions affect the future. An intelligent man wants guarantees and protections for himself and his future. Where no guarantees and protections can be had, a good and intelligent man pulls back.
There are only three classes of men who should want to deal with women in the current political/legal climate. Idiots, selfish *******s, and those who are highly religious(and have a girlfriend/wife who is highly religious).
I think, after page after page after page of this thread, we all now understand the views of MGTOW. But, just like at the beginning, still don't care. Do what you want and don't do what you don't. No need to let the world know. Just live your life and stop looking for validation of your lifestyle or converts to your cause. It comes off as juvenile and self-aggrandizing.
What an obnoxious post. What is a political forum except for a place to influence(IE debate) the opinions of others in the hopes of converting them to your way of thinking? Why are you even here?
People are the product of systems(IE their environment). The MGTOW must then necessarily be the outcome of our system. If you don't understand what about our system is causing a lot of men to "opt-out", then you need to go educate yourself about what is actually going on. Instead of being hateful and derisive towards people you don't even understand.
I am one of the old guys that did most of (no kids) what the system asked and am still doing it. The OP does see clearly and it is interesting to see the effect of his post.
If I had been born to a wealthy family I would have ever gotten married or worked for anyone else.
I think, after page after page after page of this thread, we all now understand the views of MGTOW. But, just like at the beginning, still don't care. Do what you want and don't do what you don't. No need to let the world know. Just live your life and stop looking for validation of your lifestyle or converts to your cause. It comes off as juvenile and self-aggrandizing.
I find myself scratching my head at the need to announce that they are going their own way when no cares if they do or don't. Everyone is entitled to live their life their way. It's no skin off anyone else's nose what any of us do/don't do.
The fact they feel the need to announce their decision is telling. This reminds me of when my little brother was mad at our mom and announced "I'm not eating my dessert". Do they really think they're punishing us by not playing the game? Are we supposed to acknowledge what we've lost because they opted out? Are we supposed to beg them to play? Sorry, but just like my brother not eating his dessert, their decision to opt out impacts no one but them and if they are happy with that decision that's all that matters.
Throughout my life I've known several men who didn't play the game and trust me there was good reason women wouldn't have chosen them as a mate anyway. The fact they went their own way didn't punish anyone. I get the impression from this thread we're supposed to think WE are being punished by their decision.
ETA: I've also known a few women who went their own way and the same thing applies. Their decision impacts no one but them. I can see the attraction to the lifestyle as they get to live their life as they want to live it instead of compromising to keep a relationship healthy.
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I was a late bloomer and didn't really start dating until I was well into my 20s and lost my virginity closer to 30 than 20. Maybe that's why I don't see what all the fuss is about. I mean really, sex is overrated, and so are relationships. And yet, society expects me and other men to do x,y and z to "impress women" and "get girls" and go through all these hopes, do all this effort, just to attract a female. And once we get said female we are suppose to "grow up" and basically prostitute ourselves to a 9-5, even if we hate said 9-5, give up our own ambitions in favor of having kids, supporting a wife (so much for "independent women") and family and have no dreams aside from maybe getting a McMansion.
Enter MGTOW, an idea that was around before it had a name. It is about men rejecting the ideas of society and not denying ourselves to satisfy some woman's expectations or what society expects of men. It is NOT about men who don't want to grow up. The opposite, actually: I have a nice job, pay my own bills and even volunteer at a local animal shelter. I just don't spend any more time pursuing women because relationships as a whole are really not worth it. I would rather spend my time becoming a better writer of horror and fantasy or backpacking than trying to meet women at bars or online.
And it is not about hating women. I have more female friends than I do male friends. I have nothing against women as a whole. We don't believe women should be back in the kitchen. Most of us understand that women should be free to pursue whatever ambition they desire. Likewise, we want our own dreams to be OURS and not what society tells us. MGTOW is not anti-woman, but it is pro-men being free and liberated. Women do not have to stay in the kitchen and with the kids any more (thank God) and men don't have to climb the corporate ladder and jump through hopes to attract women and be hubbies anymore (thank God)
Also, MGTOW is as much a middle-finger to the older generation of men as it is to certain (but not all) women. We are telling our fathers and grandfathers that we see the lies they didn't see and that we know why they have grown into old, bitter men: they fell for it. The idea that I as a male have to become a walking ATM machine for a baby-factory who doesn't really care for me and I have to sell my soul for a "dream" of an ugly house filled with brats is dead. That McMansion is a gilded cage...emphasis on the cage part
And finally it is not about feminism. It may have been inspired by some ideas of feminism (if women can be liberated, than so can we) but this is not men giving up because women "refuse to be ladies". Even if I was around "Stepford Wife" kind of women I would still not want to go back to dating...in fact, that would be even worse! At least modern women can actually work and provide something material to a relationship in theory. Back in the day they were just free-loaders. Honestly: is a relationship and sex so important that I would give up my freedom to a free-loader? Not for me, it isn't, and not for a growing number of men.
That is what MGTOW is. It is men's liberation finally here and finally spreading. Deal with it
Yeah right. Basically, what you're projecting is that women have led you around or something, avoiding any fault, while you persist in being an emotionally stunted creature that doesn't even deserve to be called a man.
A real man? A real man is sensitive, kind, and cares about others. A real man is also unafraid to show emotion. Rather than having a revolution on these terms, MGTOW have effectively learned nothing from thousands of years being told that manly is afraid of being vulnerable. They act like the very irresponsible man-children that women accuse them of being, turn their back on other people, and somehow act like this stilted behavior is somehow "liberation". Women got liberation, in that they are free to work or raise a family, to be as masculine or feminine as they wanted, or even be a mix.
But somehow "men's liberation" only includes the freedom to be even more masculine, more of a jerk, and more limited than before.
Boys are defective girls. They cannot show emotion, empathy, or anything but anger and competitiveness. We only need males to have a culture that is whole, we don't need male arrogance.
If children can be created without men, men can "go their own way" all they want. But these jerks will soon be done away with, in favor of decent men. And women.
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I find myself scratching my head at the need to announce that they are going their own way when no cares if they do or don't. Everyone is entitled to live their life their way. It's no skin off anyone else's nose what any of us do/don't do. 