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Old 08-20-2015, 02:27 PM
 
Location: SC
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So many people are judging cops' decisions on hindsight. If someone aims a gun at you your first thought isn't going to be how to diffuse the situation, especially, as an enforcer of the law, they have the right to use deadly force if an armed suspect is putting anyone in danger, INCLUDING the officer. Like it or not, it is justified. Sure, after the fact, an officer might could have done things differently but if his/her life is on the line with a gun aimed at them, the law gives an officer the right to use deadly force.

Besides, just the mere presence of the law should be enough to diffuse the situation and if its not then that person lacks respect. In other words, drop the gun, calm down, and be respectful. Sure, you might go to jail but you'll be alive.

Some will say "well cops should be held at a higher standard". THEY ARE and that is why they are doing their jobs and you aren't. Their higher standard is running in the direction everyone else is running from, confronting those you wouldn't dare confront yourselves, not knowing if they are going to make it home tonight to see their spouse and kids. That is their standard and I will not judge them all based on a few bad apples.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:20 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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one should not waste an opportunity, signed : Sarah Palin
I think you mean a "crisis" and Rahm Emanuel.
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Old 08-20-2015, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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We had a similar case here last week in my community. The police were serving a warrant on a multi-time felon thug. He happened to be a white thug, not that that matters. Said thug pulls a gun, fires on the cops and gets put down. Did the community condemn the cops and loot, burn and steal over said thug? NO. The vast majority came out in support of the police who put their lives on the line to deal with these animals.

What kind of culture supports criminals and burns and steals when criminals are injured?
I love rhetorical questions!.... Are things not just dandy in America these days?
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Old 08-21-2015, 04:56 AM
 
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They are protesting for 'Thug Privilege'.
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Old 08-21-2015, 05:07 AM
 
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They are rioting because this situation results in a shootout in the streets with one person dead, multiple injured, and police refusing to explain what happened or why.

In another neighborhood, this would be a standoff at best, with the perp(s) taken into custody unharmed and the neighbors cleared to safety until the situation was over. The police would release full details to the residents as the situation unfolded instead of waiting until hours later.

The criminals play a role in these situations, but so does the police response to the criminals. The guy killed had just arrived there after getting off work. That means there were multiple other opportunities to arrest him at known locations instead of waiting until he was inside the house and had access to all the weapons there. Maybe there were other opportunities to execute the other arrests without the armed confrontation; we do not know because we do not have that information. Since it is an extremely crime ridden and poor neighborhood though, the arrests happen in this manner instead of seeking alternatives less likely to result in armed confrontation inside a residential neighborhood.

Really, the rioting is a response to being fed up with police using the same tactics that are not making headway on the crime while treating criminals and non-criminals alike just because they live in the same depressed neighborhood.
Excuses, excuses.

Point a gun at a cop and you're dead. Period.
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Old 08-21-2015, 05:09 AM
 
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Look...how many innocent men have been sent to prison for crimes that they did not commit? There have been hundreds, if not in the thousands, of men released from prison and even death row after DNA evidence freed them years later. Question: Does such false arrest invalidate the whole anti-crime system? Are black people to be held to a different standard of perfection on our claims of injustice? Does the fact that police shoot and kill unarmed black men for valid reasons, often, invalidate those many times that they have killed unarmed black men when other means less than death were available?


You all just refuse to get it because "getting it" takes the pleasure and fun out of seeing blacks as inferior and flawed. Blacks are not reacting to any single event these days....but rather a pattern of events over the last decade....and really further back than that when there were not all these videos to now present evidence.
Pick better examples to base your complaints on.

Rioting over a totally justified police shooting is, well, stupid.
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Old 08-21-2015, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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So many people are judging cops' decisions on hindsight. If someone aims a gun at you your first thought isn't going to be how to diffuse the situation, especially, as an enforcer of the law, they have the right to use deadly force if an armed suspect is putting anyone in danger, INCLUDING the officer. Like it or not, it is justified. Sure, after the fact, an officer might could have done things differently but if his/her life is on the line with a gun aimed at them, the law gives an officer the right to use deadly force.

Besides, just the mere presence of the law should be enough to diffuse the situation and if its not then that person lacks respect. In other words, drop the gun, calm down, and be respectful. Sure, you might go to jail but you'll be alive.

Some will say "well cops should be held at a higher standard". THEY ARE and that is why they are doing their jobs and you aren't. Their higher standard is running in the direction everyone else is running from, confronting those you wouldn't dare confront yourselves, not knowing if they are going to make it home tonight to see their spouse and kids. That is their standard and I will not judge them all based on a few bad apples.


Nice post!
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Old 08-21-2015, 05:18 AM
 
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like waiting for backup!!!

Here is the thing. Their defense is usually "I feared for my life", which is subjective. Some people are scared of spiders, some people are scared of heights, some people are scared of snakes, some people are scared of black men. Ones level of fear is not an OBJECTIVE criteria to take a persons life....even if the person has a criminal background. Not all crimes are the same.
How does having backup make any difference when someone is pointing a gun at you?

If someone points a gun at one police officer, or ten police officers, that person is going to get shot, and the police are instructed to shoot to kill.

The number of officers makes no difference.

Don't like it? Then don't point a gun at a police officer. They're there to enforce the law, not engage in a debate.

Race has nothing to do with it.
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Old 08-21-2015, 05:32 AM
 
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factsdontmatter

Until the black community quits letting race hustlers like Jesse, Rev Al and the like represent them to the national media, law abiding black folks who see the stupidity in these protests are going to continue to be lumped into the 'black community'.
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Old 08-21-2015, 06:14 AM
 
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factsdontmatter

Until the black community quits letting race hustlers like Jesse, Rev Al and the like represent them to the national media, law abiding black folks who see the stupidity in these protests are going to continue to be lumped into the 'black community'.


I think enough of these "test cases" for #blacklivesmatter have turned out to be real duds after the whole story and facts are known that it's just not having the effect the narrative drivers have hoped it would have had by now. These cases are always quick to be run up the flag pole as the latest case of police misconduct and murder of blacks.... and by the time the truth and whole story comes out 9/10 it's like, "oh, he's actually not an innocent guy targeted by the police on account of his race." At that point only the BLM true believers (TM) are impressed anymore.


That's why I think that despite the media trying to give BLM all the traction it can, it just really isn't going to amount to more than another hashtag activist movement. It's run by children and idiots who can't control their message beyond yellow journalism sensationalism.

You can get all the running politicians you want to pay lip service to addressing the "concerns" of the BLM movement, but the vast majority of Americans (and yes folks, that includes non-whites that aren't black) just aren't jumping on board because:

1) There is arguably no epidemic of police violence specifically targeting black people in any way which is disproportionate considering amount of encounters with police and % share of crime. We won't ever have this debate or discussion in the national media because #mathishard.

2) In 2015 there is no epidemic of racial violence against black people in general in this country by whites or any other group. White folks may of course be prejudice towards blacks, but they aren't perpetuating an epidemic of disproportionate violence against them.


Yesterday NPR tried to push #2 as a story. Today were were treated to stories of black reporters becoming discouraged by having to report on white-on-black racial violence. To which I roll my eyes.

Anyone with Google and access to crime stats can debunk this narrative quite easily. It's too bad the media is more interested in pushing FALSE NARRATIVES than in actually creating or advancing an agenda of racial cooperation. It's just as easy to say, "99.9% of interracial interactions in this country went absolutely smooth and fine today" as it is to say, "Blacks fear interracial violence!"
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