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Old 08-24-2015, 07:12 PM
 
Location: California
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The easy fix is if you are in this country illegally and have a baby it is NOT a citizen of the USA, it is a citizen of whatever country you are from. simple
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Old 08-24-2015, 07:12 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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My ancestors are from Ireland and Italy; where are your ancestors from? Just wondering.

Choctaw, Seminole and Southern Ireland, in the Moors.
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Old 08-25-2015, 12:34 AM
 
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How many "immigrants" would be too many for you?

100 million?

500 million?

1 billion?

5 billion?

And, if you give me a number (which I very much doubt you will), how would you make sure that no more came?
Still no answer to my questions from the "immigration advocates."

Can't say I'm surprised.

They never do answer those questions.
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:04 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The pros far outweigh the cons.

Having a birth certificate, which leads to a passport, from any Western country gives full access to it. The opportunities are endless.

If you were born in a third world crap hole like the "birth tourism" couples, perhaps you would understand this.
It's the rich who come to the U.S. for birth tourism, then go back to their own countries.

And how is a Brit who's lived in the UK for the past 40+ years (since he was age 5) getting a 6-figure U.S. capital gains tax bill for selling his home in London such a great "pro?"

I'm just laughing at the foolishness of rich birth tourism parents because those rich birth tourism babies are going to get dinged with U.S. tax obligations for life, even if they never actually live in the U.S.

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"There are approximately 6 million accidental Americans living around the globe, many of whom are unaware of their tax obligations. They face fines, penalties and interest for not complying—even if they owe no U.S. taxes, own no U.S. property, have no U.S. bank account and haven’t lived there in years—if ever. This “perfect storm” scenario has intensified as of late with the recent introduction of FATCA or The Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act. This is a United States federal law that requires United States persons, including individuals who live outside the United States, to report their financial accounts held outside of the United States, and requires foreign financial institutions to report to the Internal Revenue Service."
Tax Obligations of "Accidental Americans"
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Old 08-25-2015, 07:42 AM
 
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And how is that going to help the liberals' goal to let all the mexicans in?
Liberals have nothing to do with this at all. Latin/Spanish people are less then 10% of the population. While a majority of the European population is almost elderly in the United States being 49% from my understanding to the 77% of the entire European population. 30% is an combine total of the "minority" groups of race.

I know some great Latin people. This guy from Argentina. His parents own a grocery store and they had a disagreement about his way of life. He spent years being homeless and went for public funding. Now he can not do what he wanted to do in college but instead attempt to do something that is far more easier for him. He is traveling the nation on grants.

Another is an woman from Colorado. She is an athletic professional but she works in business. Looks like an goddess for an thirty year old.

Do not think childishly about drugs. That is the US fault because they bombed the crops in Mexico and then banned the substance. That is what started the bad drugs bit. If we legalized ownership over the substance and just let it grow wild all over, give it away, the place but tell people not to use the substance everything and everybody will be alright. However there are great people among that 30%.

Yes there are people that causes problems. Like people who own housing structures and break into the tenants apartments from time to time. Like having your landlord is really the neighborhood peeping tom. Great that is wrong but again that person is legal as you or anybody else.

The point is your complaining about people who barely can make any money at all, or have the ability to earn. They are not causing the problems. Bush II put the US into nonsense called the Orient over oil and gold. All of that money could have been used to push for solar power. Instead we have an war on the melting pot.

If the melting pot had continue the 77% would absorb the 30% and everything would be right as rain washing paint from an painting.
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Old 08-25-2015, 09:42 AM
 
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It's the rich who come to the U.S. for birth tourism, then go back to their own countries.

And how is a Brit who's lived in the UK for the past 40+ years (since he was age 5) getting a 6-figure U.S. capital gains tax bill for selling his home in London such a great "pro?"

I'm just laughing at the foolishness of rich birth tourism parents because those rich birth tourism babies are going to get dinged with U.S. tax obligations for life, even if they never actually live in the U.S.

Tax Obligations of "Accidental Americans"
It's the rich from third world countries like China, Pakistan, Egypt, etc.
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Old 08-25-2015, 10:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's the rich from third world countries like China, Pakistan, Egypt, etc.
They're still rich; they pay tens of thousands of dollars for their birth tourism trip. And they're foisting lifelong U.S. tax obligations on their rich U.S.-born children (under current citizenship "policy," which is based neither on the 14th Amendment nor U.S. nationality law). Stupid.

FYI:
Maybe US wealth inequality isn't as bad as you thought
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Old 08-25-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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They're still rich; they pay tens of thousands of dollars for their birth tourism trip. And they're foisting lifelong U.S. tax obligations on their rich U.S.-born children (under current citizenship "policy," which is based neither on the 14th Amendment nor U.S. nationality law). Stupid.

FYI:
Maybe US wealth inequality isn't as bad as you thought
The pros far outweigh the cons.

I am an immigrant myself from a third world crap hole and know rich people who do it.
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Old 08-25-2015, 10:23 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The pros far outweigh the cons.
Based on what?

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I am an immigrant myself from a third world crap hole and know rich people who do it.
You're an immigrant. Not a foreign national living in another country for decades but still having U.S. tax obligations. Are the rich people you know who are U.S. citizens (via their tourism birth here) filing their U.S. taxes and other required legal documents (Form 8938, etc.) every year? Or are they tax evaders? They're supposed to report any and all assets they own (including property, investments, bank accounts, etc.) regardless of where those assets are.

FATCA requires all foreign financial institutions (banks, stock brokers, hedge funds, insurance companies, trusts, etc.) to report accounts of U.S. citizens directly to the United States, or to the government of the bank’s country for further transmission to the U.S. through Intergovernmental Agreements (IGAs) or be subject to a 30% withholding on their U.S. investments.

FATCA also requires U.S. citizens who have foreign financial assets in excess of $50,000 to report those assets every year on Form 8938 to be filed with their 1040 tax return.
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Old 08-25-2015, 10:34 AM
 
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Based on what?

You're an immigrant. Not a foreign national living in another country for decades but still having U.S. tax obligations. Are the rich people you know who are U.S. citizens (via their tourism birth here) filing their U.S. taxes and other required legal documents (Form 8938, etc.) every year? Or are they tax evaders? They're supposed to report any and all assets they own (including property, investments, bank accounts, etc.) regardless of where those assets are.

FATCA requires all foreign financial institutions (banks, stock brokers, hedge funds, insurance companies, trusts, etc.) to report accounts of U.S. citizens directly to the United States, or to the government of the bank’s country for further transmission to the U.S. through Intergovernmental Agreements (IGAs) or be subject to a 30% withholding on their U.S. investments.

FATCA also requires U.S. citizens who have foreign financial assets in excess of $50,000 to report those assets every year on Form 8938 to be filed with their 1040 tax return.
The 'anchor baby' U.S. Citizens are not earning, they generally move to US for their undergrad or grad studies.

They would petition for their parents at that time as well.

People are willing to give an arm and a leg to move to US or any other Western country.

Also US citizens can find a spouse 'above their league' in their home country, just because they are US citizens. They can then bring their spouse with them to US.

Again, the pros far outweigh the cons.
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