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Old 08-25-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Ca2Mo2Ga2Va!
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so they were asked 3 times to keep it down? and then shocked that they got the boot?

 
Old 08-25-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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You are the one making the claim, don't you realize how absurd it is to expect someone to disprove your claim? That's not how an argument works. You make a claim you either provide proof of it, or if you can't do so, then at least qualify it by adding "I think" or I bet" or "maybe".
Um, that was your claim not mine.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 03:13 PM
 
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You are the one making the claim, don't you realize how absurd it is to expect someone to disprove your claim? That's not how an argument works. You make a claim you either provide proof of it, or if you can't do so, then at least qualify it by adding "I think" or I bet" or "maybe".
Let me refresh your memory:
Originally Posted by*2sleepy*

" Could you share the source for that? Because everything I have read indicates that while there have been other noisy passengers who were "scolded" there are no published incidents involving them being removed from the train." So where are the links to refute the information you use to say others are incorrect? Do you expect anyone here to take your word for anything? Good luck with that. Don't you get tired of getting caught up in your own doubletalk?
 
Old 08-25-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Venice, FL
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Oh, I can totally believe this story is true. I worked in an office with a lot of black ladies, all of whom were nice people. But wow...they could get loud, and the laughing quickly escalated to a shrill, loud level. Very loud, and they didn't care who it bothered. I'm just sayin'.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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After reading more of the article and seeing what the staff person first wrote, has been determined to be false claims about what these women were doing and that it was just one person who made a complaint, I'm inclined to believe the women's statements about what took place.

Some of you won't ever know what it's like till you've lived in our skin, but, you will always yell the loudest about how we're just making these things up. I do realize some of you reading don't care to understand and just want to judge any and every person who isn't of your prefered classification in a negative light, so, I'm not really addressing those persons, but, to the people who maybe are just tired of some because you might think some people pull the race card for every little thing, I do wish you could live a few weeks or more in the life as a person of color. If you lived or were at least in the presence enough and you would get a better sense of what it entails navigating through the majority of people who prejudge you in ways they don't even know they're doing it, sometimes.

It is at times mentally and emotionally exhausting, I never realized just how exhausting it was until more recent years especially reading the threads and hateful post on this website. Not saying I wasn't tired of the stupidity before, I just wasn't confronted with it nor let it affect me in my day to day life as I've done of these past few years. Talk about playing out the race card as someone else mentioned, I've never seen it done in such force as it is done on this site in reverse except maybe on sites specifically geared for hate groups. As far as this site, I thought it would be better to avoid the more controversial forums on cd, I tried it, but, the rhetoric permeates almost every forum on the site. The hate speech people are like termites about here. See if you can find a spot where they don't infest.



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http://www.city-data.com/forum/newre...e=1&p=40958217

Excerpt from article:

Members of a mostly black book club believe they were recently kicked off the train because of their race. (Eric Risberg/AP)
Members of the book group, sporting matching gray T-shirts and broad grins, boarded the Napa Valley Wine Train in high spirits Saturday.

“The train is leaving the station! Choo choo!” member Lisa Johnson posted on her Facebook page, captioning a picture of five glasses of burgundy liquid clinking together.

But not long into the trip train staff began asking them to quiet down. Before the journey was half over, they were escorted off the train, where police officers were waiting for them, according to the Associated Press.

[Black women’s book club members kicked off wine train]

“We didn’t do anything wrong and we still feel this is about race. We were singled out,” Johnson told local TV station KTVU.

Wine train spokesman Sam Singer told the AP that staff had asked the book club members to either be quieter or get off the train. He said that people are asked to get off the train, which serves appetizers and drinks to passengers as they chug through California wine country, roughly once a month.

“The book club clearly was fun-loving, boisterous and loud enough that it affected the experience of some of the passengers who were in the same car, who complained to staff,” he said.

But on Tuesday, the Napa Valley Wine Train’s chief executive officer issued a full-throated apology for the company’s treatment of the members of Johnson’s Sistahs on the Reading Edge book club, saying the Wine Train was “100 percent wrong in its handling of this issue.”

“We accept full responsibility for our failures and for the chain of events that led to this regrettable treatment of our guests,” Anthony “Tony” Giaccio said in a statement, which was sent to The Post.

Giaccio said in his statement that he has spoken with Johnson and apologized for her group’s experience on the train. He also wrote a letter to the club, apologizing for the company’s “many mistakes and failures.”

“We pride ourselves our hospitality and our desire to please our guests on the Napa Valley Wine Train,” the letter stated. “In this instance, we failed in every measure of the meaning of good service, respect and hospitality.”

In the letter, Giaccio promised to make sure employees received more diversity and sensitivity training, and invited the club back on the train as his personal guests. The chief executive also noted that train employees were “insensitive when we asked you to depart our train by marching you down the aisle past all the other passengers” and said the company “erred by placing an inaccurate post on our Facebook site that was not reflective of what actually occurred.”

“Please accept my apologies for our many mistakes and failures,” he wrote.



The women say that before they disembarked they were made to walk through several cars full of onlookers.

“It was very humiliating, very degrading,” Dininne Neal told KTVU, “and it made my mom cry, which made me cry.”

According to the AP, wine train employees called local police to report that “11 disruptive females” were being dropped off by the train.

“When we get off the train, the police are just standing there,” Katherine Neal told KTVU, “and they're looking at us like, these are the unruly people?”

Police spokeswoman Maria Gonzalez said, “there was no crime being committed … nobody was intoxicated, there were no issues,” so the officers left. A bus came to take the women back to the train station.

In the past, she told the AP, police had responded to wine-train reports of passengers ousted for domestic incidents on board or for fighting.

A Facebook post from the company written after the incident obliquely referred to the book club’s ouster and accused the women of “verbal and physical abuse towards other guests and staff.” The post was later taken down, but not before Johnson took a screenshot and posted it online.

Singer told the New York Times that the post, written by a junior staff member, was wrong — the women had not been abusive — which is why it was taken down. He added that the incident could have been handled better — the group, which included an 83-year-old woman, didn’t need to be paraded through all six cars of the train, and perhaps the women could have been set up in another area. If the staff members had been being more considerate, he said, “they would have thought of another way to get them off the train.”

“We were insensitive when we asked you to depart our train by marching you down the aisle past all the other passengers,” Giaccio wrote on his apology letter. “While that was the safest route for disembarking, it showed a lack of sensitivity on our part that I did not fully conceive of until you explained the humiliation of the experience and how it impacted you and your fellow Book Club members.”

By Monday evening, the Napa Valley Wine Train’s Yelp page had been buried in negative reviews. One woman who said she was on the same train as the Reading Edge book club, wrote that she “watched in disbelief” as the women were escorted off.

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Old 08-25-2015, 03:19 PM
 
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Have you thought about going elsewhere?
 
Old 08-25-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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Uh.
I am a person of color.

I just don't play the damn card when I do something wrong.
 
Old 08-25-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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What would have been the easier way, shove them out the windows?
 
Old 08-25-2015, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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Don't get Madea mad on a train lol
 
Old 08-25-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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Uh.
I am a person of color.

I just don't play the damn card when I do something wrong.
OK, what was done wrong by the women? The employee admitted they did nothing out of the ordinary of what other people have done in past rides really. One woman complained about those women having an enjoyable time conversing probably not as loud as any other group in other cars at times who were in groups. If one is being called out because it appears to be race, should they not mention it at all if that seems to be the only reason people around them are picking them out of a crowd.
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