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Originally Posted by TXNGL
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No they weren't. Terms of her job was to follow the law and fill out paperwork. She doesn't have to personally approve of every couple who applies. Doesn't have to like them. Doesn't have to think they are adorable.
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The others clerks, despite their personal religious beliefs, are issuing marriage licenses to anyone that qualifies under the law. I "googled" for KY marriage license application and it asks for a few things but it does say for the couple "1st Party" and "2nd Party" and nothing concern male/female at all that I could see.
I would think as the supervisor that she could delegate others to issue the licenses but that is not enough for her. I'm guessing that most of us have seen documents from the County Clerk's Office and that person's name is on the documents and removing it would not be correct form. She is asking for too much at this point.
Sadly, this is not a woman that is thinking for herself. She is trying to make up for those past sins and people like that are just, well, no nice word for it. I was once in their midst and I know what they are like as in her not letting others issue the licenses and I bet she was telling them they would go to Hell for doing it and/or be fired.
Also, I am sure the minister, whose church reaps a nice benefit from their cut of the $80,000 is encouraging her to sit in jail while he enjoys his freedom.
For those that don't realize it, when these people accept Jesus Christ, then that wipes away their sins of the past so that relieves her of the sins being brought up in her own mind and that of "Christians" like my brother and my husband, not me.
Know that in saying this, I still believe that acts of homosexuality are sinful but also the church and state should remain separate. In addition, I believe that one is responsible for their sins and will be judged on them and that Jesus Christ was just a man and belief in him doesn't take away the sin.
In the office, I would assign the task to someone else that would not mind and if there were no one else, I would issue the license and if it bothered me resign. I would not run for re-election to a position that had a requirement that I found immoral though either.
Interesting was that I "googled" for Kim Davis and learned that she started going to church after promising that to her dying MIL. Ah, not the best reason in my mind but then, I have very little in common with her.
There needs to be some strict guidelines in place for religious accommodation. This could really haywire if it is not addressed. I asked my husband, who supports this woman, "If I get a job as a topless waitress and then become Christian and believe it is immoral, should I be allowed to wear a shirt on the job?" Well, I am 61 and they would probably welcome my putting on a shirt but............ And then I said, "What if on your job someone converts to a religion that says that they cannot work on Sunday, just absolutely cannot, and the employer is required to accommodate that. You know who will be working every Sunday to cover them? You!" Well, when it came down to "You", he said he would have to think about that.
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Originally Posted by Anchorhead1977
She either does her job or she quits. I do feel slightly sorry for her in that I think she is missing a few screws and jail has worn her down already. Unfortunately, she will likely be encouraged by her supporters to stay in jail to prove their point. I do think that's taking advantage of mentally ill woman.
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Most of the women who get involved with these types of religions have low self-esteem. As I said above, the minister is probably there advising her while she sits in jail and he is free. I do not think she is mentally ill. I don't think people realize what kind of pressure would be on her from her fellow believers and again, low self-esteem.
I worked with people in a rather closed away setting that were like this. I was pure as the driven snow so all they did was constantly harp on the sins that they just knew I would fall into. "Oh, I was like you at one time." Ah, "No you weren't." They wanted to give me guidance on how to avoid the sinful lives they had lived. They were generally not highly educated and the women were oppressed. Not interested in a religion that oppresses women.
I believe in religious accommodation and believe that EEOC needs to be looking at getting some guidelines on situations like Kim Davis is in.
WYSK: Workplace Religious Accommodation
The bottom line is that no same sex couple should be able to go in and demand that she specifically be required to issue their license, she should have someone issuing and if she doesn't want her name as County Clerk on the documents, she should resign.
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