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Old 08-31-2015, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by middle-aged mom View Post
Teacher claims he was never late to teach in class. Most of the time he was in line waiting to punch in. Who knows?

Regardless, principal ignored the established contractual requirements for termination , written warning and 90 day notice.

Most mid- large corporations have established documented disciplinary procedures that require written warning and X days to correct deficiency or be terminated, nothing to do with organized labor.

There are reasons why mid- large corporations require HR to be involved in terminations. Their purpose is to protect the company from downstream lawsuits and make sure the i's are dotted and t's crossed before anyone is terminated.

Bottom line the principal blew it.
I understand that everyone is late once in a while but this is out there.

Many companies would have fired him very quickly unless they have a contract, most professionals are not under contract but there may be HR procedures. Firing because of race, gender, age discrimination is one thing but being on time is fairly basic and should not require further explanation.

I see where he lost track of time while eating breakfast and he had already been denied pay increases so he should have been aware.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...r-nj/71384446/
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I'll bet he sucks as a teacher too.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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The written warning should be the in the employment contract they they sign when hired. No other documentation should be required.
Every private and public labor union contract is different. It does not matter what you, I or the next guy thinks " should be".
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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he was entitled to progressive discipline. That seems to be the liberal mindset all wrapped up in one brief sentence. I guess 'progressive discipline' means it's Ok to be a screwup and keep your job.

Even Hollywood used to show screwup professors being fired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKT-eWMWXOE
Most mid- large corporations in the U.S. maintain documented progressive discipline protocols for their non union employees.

Some labor contracts do and some do not.

In this case the union and school district agreed to progressive discipline.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I love how mainstream cons (who are allegedly for "small gov") want more done beyond the scope of the already agreed upon contract (hence requiring "more" gov).

Free market is free market. If the contract was honored suck it up. That goes for both sides and everyone else.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Stasis
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When you fire someone, private or public sector, you have to do it by the book or face the consequences. This is why HR gets involved - to CYA, to make sure all the ducks are in a row, documentation is in order, and laws and procedures are followed.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:53 AM
 
Location: NJ
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So here we have a guy who shows total disrespect for his students, their time and education by his tardiness and we wonder why he is held to a different standard than the rest of the workforce.

So why is he held to a different standard?

Teacher's union and their reliance on tenure to avoid merit performance evaluations.
The two cannot coexist and it is performance evaluations and high performing teachers that have to go. Unions treat teachers as mindless widget workers whose abilities and performance are indistinguishable from one another except for time on the job.

Yes, children and teachers are useful to unions as marketing tools to gin up empathy.

The only teachers who benefit from conscripted union membership dues are the incompetent and unqualified teachers.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I understand that everyone is late once in a while but this is out there.

Many companies would have fired him very quickly unless they have a contract, most professionals are not under contract but there may be HR procedures. Firing because of race, gender, age discrimination is one thing but being on time is fairly basic and should not require further explanation.

I see where he lost track of time while eating breakfast and he had already been denied pay increases so he should have been aware.

Teacher keeps $90K job after being late 111 times
Again, the principal did not follow the contractual protocol. Had the principal done so, he would have either arrived on time or been terminated.

The challenge with progressive discipline protocols in both the public and private sector is that some employees game the system. They comply during the X day probation period and once lifted, revert back to former bad habits and it starts all over again. Eventually it catches up to them. They then are more likely to become the proverbial disgruntled former employee and seek out opportunities to bash the employer, on line.

They eventually land somewhere else and the game continues.
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Old 08-31-2015, 08:59 AM
 
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Liberalism folks. This what we, as a nation, have devolved to.
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Old 08-31-2015, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I'll bet he sucks as a teacher too.
Not according to the information within the link.
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