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Old 09-02-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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When we talk about an actual US government run healthcare system, as opposed to government insurance used in the private sector, here is what it looks like.

Watchdog: 900,000 vets have pending health care requests

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More than half the applications listed as pending as of last year do not have application dates, and investigators "could not reliably determine how many records were associated with actual applications for enrollment" in VA health care, the report said.


The report also says VA workers incorrectly marked thousands of unprocessed health-care applications as completed and may have deleted 10,000 or more electronic "transactions" over the past five years.
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Old 09-02-2015, 03:23 PM
 
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When we talk about an actual US government run healthcare system, as opposed to government insurance used in the private sector, here is what it looks like.

Watchdog: 900,000 vets have pending health care requests
We should stop providing government health care for vets and seniors. It just doesn't work. End it all and let them go out in the open market. Give them a voucher and let them go pay for it.
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Old 09-02-2015, 03:29 PM
 
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We should stop providing government health care for vets and seniors. It just doesn't work. End it all and let them go out in the open market. Give them a voucher and let them go pay for it.
I agree with that. It would be a step in the right direction for sure.
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Old 09-02-2015, 05:04 PM
 
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The government is not an expert at anything except acquiring power (even though we are handing it to them), and siphoning money from the private sector.

They don't know solar power. They don't know health care. They don't know the mortgage business. They don't know savings, loans, and banking. They don't know education.

Actually - they know just enough to get what they want out of a particular industry.

They have no incentive to do good work for the people - other than the election every 2, 4, or 6 years for those who are elected. For the rank and file workers, there is almost zero incentive.
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Old 09-02-2015, 05:58 PM
 
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Weird....you mean the underfunded VA has problems GASP!

You send people to war, you should expect to pay for it. And yet...when they ask for more money to fund the VA its denied. Way to back our soldiers. We've increased the VA funding by what? 33%? While increasing their workload far far more due to multiple wars.

And then people here go...Oh look the government can't run healthcare!

No you can't in fact run it well when its underfunded.

Our capitalistic based healthcare system has a massive profit margin. Profits as it turns out...arent free. Its why the rest of the developed world has decent healthcare, at reasonable prices.

So you want to see government ran healthcare? The vast majority of the world does it, and does so very successfully. The only thing wrong with ours is the profit motive.
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Old 09-02-2015, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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We should stop providing government health care for vets and seniors. It just doesn't work. End it all and let them go out in the open market. Give them a voucher and let them go pay for it.
"VA adherence to the DOD "no exposures" doctrine, often in the face of compelling clinical evidence to the contrary, could be viewed as Department-wide medical malpractice. -- Honorable Jesse Brown, Secretary of Veteran Affairs

How would you cover up government's misdeeds if veterans got private healthcare?

I knew I inhaled 75 Iraqi oil wells and 5 tons of US nerve agent 24 years ago. The government just got around to telling me that 2 years ago.
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Old 09-02-2015, 06:10 PM
 
Location: The Silver State (from the UK)
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The best healthcare systems in the world are either government run or single payer. THAT is what it really looks like.

Pointing out a drastically underfunded VA system in the US (which is a result of dumb-ass wars and their consequences) is hardly an example of what a pure public healthcare system looks like
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Old 09-02-2015, 06:25 PM
 
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When we talk about an actual US government run healthcare system, as opposed to government insurance used in the private sector, here is what it looks like.

Watchdog: 900,000 vets have pending health care requests
Wrong! A single payer system would look more like Medicare.

Why do you endorse the Insurance Companies that make billions of dollars a year for simply doing the paperwork. The reason Healthcare is expensive and convoluted is the Health Insurance Industry. We could easily hire a private firm to do the paperwork for a fee rather than billion in profits.

As of now the same doctors that provide care for privately insured patients are the same ones that take care of the elderly of Medicare.
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Old 09-02-2015, 06:28 PM
 
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"VA adherence to the DOD "no exposures" doctrine, often in the face of compelling clinical evidence to the contrary, could be viewed as Department-wide medical malpractice. -- Honorable Jesse Brown, Secretary of Veteran Affairs

How would you cover up government's misdeeds if veterans got private healthcare?

I knew I inhaled 75 Iraqi oil wells and 5 tons of US nerve agent 24 years ago. The government just got around to telling me that 2 years ago.
Apparently government health care doesn't work, so end it. If Republicans really believe that government health coverage is impossible, they can tell Veterans and Seniors they get a voucher and they can own the result.
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Old 09-02-2015, 06:33 PM
 
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Apparently government health care doesn't work, so end it. If Republicans really believe that government health coverage is impossible, they can tell Veterans and Seniors they get a voucher and they can own the result.
Actually, there's one thing wrong with your post. The same people who think the US should never ever have government run healthcare are the same ones who cry "Get your hands off my Medicare". Republicans want everyone to pay for their own healthcare, but dammit you're gonna pay in spades if you even utter something like getting rid of Medicare, no way no how!
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