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raising the minimum wage from 7.xx to 15.xx would be a huge jump and I do think it is going to negatively affect businesses and profits however I think part of that is that we finally are discussing this after years upon years of not addressing it. It does need to be raised to some degree...i hope most people can't argue that. Perhaps this is something that should be reviewed after 2-3 years. A 50 cent raise every 3 years for the last 15 years would put everyone around $10 and perhaps we wouldn't be having this debate right now.
This makes perfect sense to me, but for some reason it gets some people in a tizzy.
Ironically, entitlement programs that financially benefit people who are out of the workforce have seen cost of living adjustments during the time minimum wages for working people has been flat.
It makes no sense why this wouldn't just be indexed to the rate of inflation (which isn't always perfect but would be much better than doing nothing year after year and eliminate the sticker shock and need for discussing these huge jumps after no increases for years).
I'm leaning back towards supporting raising the minimum wage.
One complaint I often hear from people is that at many stores the majority of employees (particularly cashiers) don't speak English. Maybe if the minimum wage was raised, it would attract English-speaking employees to those store jobs.
Actually, I did click on that link and I did read it from beginning to end. Very interesting read, me thinks.
Here is why I think it is relevant that every once in a while we all should take a step back from our ideological arguments and try to get to know the people and circumstances on a personal level. Things don't need to make perfect logical sense. There is the human factor that we need to consider.
Making an argument based purely on ideology without considering the human factor can be quite dangerous. After all, Hitler did vastly improve Germany's economy and brought the Fatherland to glory based on National Socialism. A little extreme of an example, yes, but I think it demonstrates perfectly what happens when some people decided to base their belief system purely on ideology without factoring in the human factor.
This is absurd. We do not make federal policy based on anecdotes. Godwins Law in full force here. You need to understand, the intelligent people who argue against a minimum wage are not doing it from an ideological perspective, they use logic and pragmatism based on empirical study. The problem is, we have people like you who consistently use an appeal to emotion to argue and another person who uses a common logical fallacy and the always annoying "pick up by the bootstraps" types who obfuscate the issue.
This is absurd. We do not make federal policy based on anecdotes. Godwins Law in full force here. You need to understand, the intelligent people who argue against a minimum wage are not doing it from an ideological perspective, they use logic and pragmatism based on empirical study. The problem is, we have people like you who consistently use an appeal to emotion to argue and another person who uses a common logical fallacy and the always annoying "pick up by the bootstraps" types who obfuscate the issue.
Yes, I know about godwin's law. And actually, I walked right to the edge but did not violate it. I did not compare anyone to the nazis. I even stated that the example is on the extreme side, but it was to make my point obvious, that basing an argument purely on ideological and logical reasons aren't always the best way to go at it.
National socialism worked wonderfully. While the economies of the rest of the world were wadding through the mud of the great depression, national socialism pretty much brought Germany back from the brink and made it a prosperous place to live. And all it took was for people to ignore emotional arguments about putting the Jews in the ghettos...
The point I'm trying to make is I'm sure you have all the logical reasons in the world to support a cut-throat capitalistic economy. But... there are actual PEOPLE living here. They're not just numbers and stats.
Yes, I know about godwin's law. And actually, I walked right to the edge but did not violate it. I did not compare anyone to the nazis. I even stated that the example is on the extreme side, but it was to make my point obvious, that basing an argument purely on ideological and logical reasons aren't always the best way to go at it.
National socialism worked wonderfully. While the economies of the rest of the world were wadding through the mud of the great depression, national socialism pretty much brought Germany back from the brink and made it a prosperous place to live. And all it took was for people to ignore emotional arguments about putting the Jews in the ghettos...
The point I'm trying to make is I'm sure you have all the logical reasons in the world to support a cut-throat capitalistic economy. But... there are actual PEOPLE living here. They're not just numbers and stats.
First, you to come to the realization when you are discussing federal policy, they are just number and stats. It sounds cold, but there is not a more logical or intelligent way to do it. Again, you appeal to emotion.
So every time in the past that minimum wage was raised it hurt workers? Raised unemployment? this is a argument I hear over and over, and its nonsense. Theres no historical record of it. Its when people try a simple answer for a complex reality.
Because while minimum wage goes up....so does demand as those minimum wage workers spend more.
So look towards historical reality, not over simplistic nonsense.
The fact that a lot of the players are turning full-time position send your part-time positions and contractor positions, and the fact that they say you hire somebody when you absolutely have to are some of the persuasive arguments against raising the minimum wage. People like to compare workers rights with those at the turn of the previous century but they conveniently ignore how we have laws today that we did not have 100 years ago. And we do have a minimum wage. In many parts of the country, raising the minimum wage doesn't make sense because I'm much more experienced and educated worker would not make that much more then someone on a minimum wage job. Not to mention that given in Normas cost-of-living differences, minimum wage should be a state issue, not federal
We had this discussion like a thousand times and I answered this a thousand time. whats the point of repeating the same question that has been answered?
In a closed economy, increase the minimum wage arbitrarily will cause immediate inflation because the money has to come from somewhere to cover the labor cost increase.
We aren't in a closed economy. Employers have many ways to offset the cost increase. For example:
1. Outsourcing
2. Add more automation
3. Layoff
4. Reduce work hours
5. Increase price
Please explain to me which one is good for the very people you try to screw, I mean "help"?
Even of people spend more, and increased price and decreased hours and benefits would not help these people
My boyfriend believes in raising the minimum wage. I'm in between not caring and against raising the minimum wage, although I've been leaning toward being against raising the minimum wage.
When we met a couple years back, he was working in a warehouse full time at $12-15/hour. Couple years ago, he quit that job to go back to school studying finance and accounting.
I'm an engineer in management.
With the background out of the way... earlier today, he got a look at my paystub. He then commented that I make more in a couple months than what he made a whole year when he was working in the warehouse. That comment really hit me hard because I didn't think I make that much to begin with. I have the typical salary of a middle manager.
That also got me thinking. When people complain that CEO's make an obscene amount of money more than the minimum wage worker, wouldn't it make more sense to compare what the typical low skilled worker makes to something like what an engineer makes? Why do I say that? Because now that I think about it, I don't know how anyone can survive on something like $12-15/hour with any level of comfort, let alone less than $10/hour.
I'm leaning back towards supporting raising the minimum wage.
Minimum wage historically increased with productivity of the minimum wage worker, but that stopped in the 1970s where the minimum wage started flat lining, while productivity continued increasing. If minimum wage increased with productivity it would be around $16/hour in 2015. I believe minimum wage should increase with inflation.
Thats a long post. You could have just said," pay people what they need not what their worth."
Especially workers in the US often confuse needs and wants. They have an inflated sense of what they mean.
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