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Old 09-12-2015, 09:06 AM
 
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I just like to remind people that the Democrats tried to convince America that this man (Biden) was the very best candidate for VP that could be found.
He is absolutely the best VP we have every had. He is smart, devoted and highly accomplished. He has devoted his whole life to serving this country and never looked to profit from it. Just ask Lindsay Graham what kind of person he is. To compare him to an imbecile like Palin is an insult to everyone.

 
Old 09-12-2015, 09:11 AM
 
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Again, facts not in evidence … No case, so it is dismissed …

But, again, ability to speak and understand more than one language is a good thing …

What do you have against effective meaningful interpersonal communication in society … ???

Do you object to the (paid) presence of an interpreter for those who are hearing impaired … ???
What do you have against sticking to the subject at hand? What do you have against a thought experiment in an effort to understand what nation level bilingualism actually means?
 
Old 09-12-2015, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Minnesota
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What do you have against sticking to the subject at hand? What do you have against a thought experiment in an effort to understand what nation level bilingualism actually means?
The FACTS at hand are that:

(1) it is a good thing to be able to speak and understand more than one language, and

(2) American English is already the official language of The United States of America, and

(3) there is NO move afoot anywhere in The USA to punish people who don't speak Spanish, and

(4) this whole whipped-up bit is simply more immigrant bashing, and

(5) Sarah Palin is not very smart, nor is she well educated ...
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:15 PM
 
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The FACTS at hand are that:

(1) it is a good thing to be able to speak and understand more than one language, and

(2) American English is already the official language of The United States of America, and

(3) there is NO move afoot anywhere in The USA to punish people who don't speak Spanish, and

(4) this whole whipped-up bit is simply more immigrant bashing, and

(5) Sarah Palin is not very smart, nor is she well educated ...
1. Why is it good to learn a foreign language in this country when you won't use it? If you don't use it you lose it.

2. English is not the official language of the U.S. but it should be. Right now it is simply our national defacto language.

3. Depends on what you mean by punish. Many employers are requiring Spanish for them to hire you. If it's not punishment then it is discrimination against native English speakers.

4. Immigrant bashing? WTH does that mean?

5. Finally, something we agree on.
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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No, we do not live in a bi-lingual country. We have a national, majority spoken language which is English with some minority languages spoken here. How does several different foreign languages equate to bi-lingualism when the word "bi" means two? Why should we learn Spanish? Why not some Asian language, etc. Why should we learn any foreign language? For what purpose if we plan on residing here the rest of our lives and aren't in the tourist industry or our jobs don't involve dealing with foreign countries? Even at that English is the business language across the world.
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:24 PM
 
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Learning an *other* language is good for the mind and soul …
It opens one up to another entire culture and ways of expression …
It also makes one a better speaker/user of one's first language ...
You of course have proof of your assertions? Learning anything is good for us. Language isn't something special. One can learn about another culture without having to learn or speak the language of it. Your last sentence makes no sense whatsoever. Where are you getting that?
 
Old 09-12-2015, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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1. Why is it good to learn a foreign language in this country when you won't use it? If you don't use it you lose it.

2. English is not the official language of the U.S. but it should be. Right now it is simply our national defacto language.

3. Depends on what you mean by punish. Many employers are requiring Spanish for them to hire you. If it's not punishment then it is discrimination against native English speakers.

4. Immigrant bashing? WTH does that mean?

5. Finally, something we agree on.
(1) Learning something*anything is good exercise for the mind and soul … OTOH, if in the past you studied math, physics, Shakespeare, biology, history, woodworking, art, music, etc., and looking back on it find it all useless and a waste of your time … Well, that is your problem, señor

(2) There is no indication that American English is going to be replaced as THE (de facto) Official Language of The United States …

(3) If a prospective employer needs a worker with computer skills and you don't have them, are you being "punished" somehow … ???

(4) "Immigrant bashing" -- just do a "Google" … or not ...
 
Old 09-12-2015, 06:23 PM
 
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(1) Learning something*anything is good exercise for the mind and soul … OTOH, if in the past you studied math, physics, Shakespeare, biology, history, woodworking, art, music, etc., and looking back on it find it all useless and a waste of your time … Well, that is your problem, señor

(2) There is no indication that American English is going to be replaced as THE (de facto) Official Language of The United States …

(3) If a prospective employer needs a worker with computer skills and you don't have them, are you being "punished" somehow … ???

(4) "Immigrant bashing" -- just do a "Google" … or not ...
1. Most of those things were elective in school we didn't get a choice about learning them. However, there are at least a couple of them that we do use in our daily lives. Learning a language you'll never use makes no sense. Better to learn something more useful.

2. If we continue to import millions of "immigrants" both legally and illegally from mostly one lingual group assimilation to English will be less and less. I don't wish us to become a bi-lingual country for that ridiculous reason.

3. You are comparing apples to oranges here. Language is not a hands on skill. Spanish is mostly being required in hiring practices because of the number of illegal aliens here who speak only Spanish and other Latinos that will always prefer that language over English. Why should American English speakers be discriminated against in hiring practices due to illegal immigration and others of their group that are too lazy or are adamant about wanting to be pandered to in Spanish instead of English? You used the word punished not me. I said discrimination.

4. Why don't you denote what "you" call immigrant bashing? Is expecting them to learn and speak English "immigrant bashing"?
 
Old 09-12-2015, 07:37 PM
 
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i agree with her, well maybe not her but her idea, while you here speak american, because i know if i go to mexico, they are not going help me any with my language
 
Old 09-12-2015, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Why don't you denote what "you" call immigrant bashing? Is expecting them to learn and speak English "immigrant bashing"?
Again … Hello … ???

I have never yet met new/recent immigrants who are not learning to speak American English …

But, like learning any useful skill, acquiring a new language takes time … It just does …

Get over it ...
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