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What about all the guns stolen from government agencies? Shouldn't they be capable of halting the act of being stolen, then arrest and prosecute the ones trying to steal them? They are government guns, after all. Where's their sense of duty? Surely, they know they only belong in the hands of LE, or the military. Ahh, but criminals wouldn't use a weapon stolen from a government agency. Out of THEIR sense of civic duty, they only use stolen civilian guns.
Loaded AR left on the trunk of a cruiser in Seattle.
...and now we find out that the gun used to kill Kathryn Steinle (by an ILLEGAL ALIEN) in SF was a stolen (or lost) law enforcement issued weapon.
– “A CBP (Customs and Border Patrol) officer left a firearm unsecured in an idling vehicle in the parking lot of a convenience store. The vehicle and firearm were stolen while the officer was inside the store. A local law enforcement officer later recovered the firearm from a suspected gang member and drug smuggler.”
– “A CBP officer left a firearm on a toolbox in the bed of a truck, and the firearm fell off when the officer drove home. Law enforcement officials later recovered the firearm from an individual who resisted arrest and assaulted the arresting officer.”
– “An ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) officer left an M-4 rifle and a shotgun unsecured in a closet in his home; subsequently, both firearms were stolen during a burglary. State and federal law enforcement officers later recovered these firearms from a felon.”
– “An ICE officer left a firearm on the bumper of a vehicle, which fell off as the officer left his place of employment. A civilian found the firearm and turned it over to the local police.”
An audit in 2010 discovered that nearly 300 firearms were either lost by or stolen from HS officers in a two year period. That's just homeland security agents, who are supposed to be the best and brightest. I wonder how many are lost or stolen from the rest of the fed, state, and local agencies. It has to be 10s of thousands.
We need to protect ourselves if only from the thugs that law enforcement arm through their own negligence.
Would you rather we be reading that Wynternight was the victim of a robbery, instead of actually being aware of his/her surroundings, and thwarting a potential crime? I will never understand the progressive mentality in wanting to hinder people from being able to defend themselves! I hope we hear more stories like this in regards to normal everyday citizens thwarting potential crimes! Perhaps it will send a message to the knuckleheads in the world and make them think twice before they tried to roll up on someone!
I watched the video again and the study was compelling but it was flawed.
When the gunman came in he had an agenda to kill the instructor then went straight for the person he knew had only gun in the class.
In a real world situation a rampaging murdered wouldn't know who had a gun and who didn't. The smart thing to do would be to get down, get your gun ready and wait until the attacker stopped shooting to reload then get up and stop him from shooting again.
A few other take-aways from the video:
1. Don't be wearing a stupid full face helmet like the "subjects" were.
2. Don't have thick clumsy gloves on your hands.
3. Don't have your piece covered by a long clingy garment.
I do not know the answer to this, but how do you know that area was not secure and officers standing by car???
Old news. But, there are mistakes made. Not all LEOs are perfect, but almost everyone of them does a great job.
You're not going go find any real information out there, as to how many guns go missing from various government agencies. Local, state and federal. But its quite a few. A military installation I used to work on saw some weapons turn up missing, more than once, a couple times in quantities big enough to be ...worthy of notice, though the thefts of them, never turned up in any news stories, at any level.
I do know they recovered one of the weapons taken. Bout a year after it, and a ..few..of its armory mates were taken, in Canada. Don't delude yourself. Lots of government weapons end up in places they shouldn't. Yet we never hear about any that get recovered from criminals, gangs and such. In cases that suit gun ban advocates, a certain gun gets tracked back all the wah to the factory tech that boxed it up. That's only done with guns that shipped for civilian sale, though. And its only a minuscule number.
Interesting...that.
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– “A CBP (Customs and Border Patrol) officer left a firearm unsecured in an idling vehicle in the parking lot of a convenience store. The vehicle and firearm were stolen while the officer was inside the store. A local law enforcement officer later recovered the firearm from a suspected gang member and drug smuggler.”
– “A CBP officer left a firearm on a toolbox in the bed of a truck, and the firearm fell off when the officer drove home. Law enforcement officials later recovered the firearm from an individual who resisted arrest and assaulted the arresting officer.”
– “An ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) officer left an M-4 rifle and a shotgun unsecured in a closet in his home; subsequently, both firearms were stolen during a burglary. State and federal law enforcement officers later recovered these firearms from a felon.”
– “An ICE officer left a firearm on the bumper of a vehicle, which fell off as the officer left his place of employment. A civilian found the firearm and turned it over to the local police.”
An audit in 2010 discovered that nearly 300 firearms were either lost by or stolen from HS officers in a two year period. That's just homeland security agents, who are supposed to be the best and brightest. I wonder how many are lost or stolen from the rest of the fed, state, and local agencies. It has to be 10s of thousands.
We need to protect ourselves if only from the thugs that law enforcement arm through their own negligence.
And there are many more. Just look at AG Eric Holder, he sells them straight to the Drug dealers and the President covers for him. You can't make this stuff up.
"May 3, 2011 - Attorney General Eric Holder testifies for the first time before the House Judiciary Committee that he had first heard of Operation Fast and Furious only over the past few weeks."
"October 2011 - Investigators uncover memos indicating Attorney General Holder had known about Operation Fast and Furious for close to a year, not a few weeks as he had stated in May 2011."
"June 20, 2012 - President Barack Obama asserts executive privilege over the documents sought by the investigating committee. This prevents future prosecution of Holder."
"June 28, 2012 - The House of Representatives votes 255-67 to hold Holder in criminal contempt. This is the first time in American history that the head of the Justice Department has been held in contempt by Congress."
If you're not a trained professional and you managed to deter a gunman with a gun, it is merely blink luck.
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I counter your one pathetic video with a slew of others. Rather than post them all, how about you listen to the actual tapes of people protecting themselves with guns:
You go ahead and continue being unarmed. I'll keep mine. When someone breaks in to your home, (let's hope that doesn't happen), and starts to seriously injure you or try to kill you, think back to the ridiculous claim that you made here.
And there are many more. Just look at AG Eric Holder, he sells them straight to the Drug dealers and the President covers for him. You can't make this stuff up.
"May 3, 2011 - Attorney General Eric Holder testifies for the first time before the House Judiciary Committee that he had first heard of Operation Fast and Furious only over the past few weeks."
"October 2011 - Investigators uncover memos indicating Attorney General Holder had known about Operation Fast and Furious for close to a year, not a few weeks as he had stated in May 2011."
"June 20, 2012 - President Barack Obama asserts executive privilege over the documents sought by the investigating committee. This prevents future prosecution of Holder."
"June 28, 2012 - The House of Representatives votes 255-67 to hold Holder in criminal contempt. This is the first time in American history that the head of the Justice Department has been held in contempt by Congress."
There are around 200,000 guns lost or stolen each year, around 10% from FFL's and we are still talking about a hundred guns in F&F. Talk about priorities.
There are around 200,000 guns lost or stolen each year, around 10% from FFL's and we are still talking about a hundred guns in F&F. Talk about priorities.
F&F was a government run operation, and guns from F&F have been proven to be murder weapons used against border patrol agents. not to mention the fact that F&F was being, and is still being, actively covered up. when nixon participated in a cover up, he was forced to resign, but it seems today those participating in a government cover up are given a pass.
While the video is a pathetically obvious staged scenario designed to make CCW look ineffective in the face of an active shooter, it does illustrate one crucial point. Training and education are everything.
Some of the things that make the bias of the video obvious are things I see CCW holders do on a regular basis. The baggy shirt, designed to slow the draw of the students, is not an uncommon garment chosen by many CCW holders. The gloves, while not generally worn by most people in daily life, are commonly worn by construction workers or other people who work with their hands. The mask, essential for the type of training scenarios depicted in the video, does slow the response, but is not an item in most folks' wardrobe.
Carrying a weapon is a serious responsibility, one taken far too lightly by the majority of folks who do it. Competence under stress only comes from education and training. Both need to be ongoing to be effective. One needs to learn how to carry the weapon, what to wear to make the draw both possible and effective, and how to get the weapon on target and make hits- under stress. Then they need to spend time every week honing those skills, shortening their time on target. Shooting from all positions, shooting while moving, shooting at moving targets, shooting with the off hand(the most common injury in a gun fight is to the gun hand), use of cover, reloads under stress, malfunction clearing, and post-shooting threat assessment.
Situational awareness is another skill that is essential, because without it, you may well be dead before you ever see the threat. Or you could simply be embarrassed and lose your weapon like this guy...
Situational awareness is something that determines whether or not you should carry a gun in the real world. If you do not have it and constantly exercise it, carrying a gun is not likely to do you a lot of good. While I strongly support the 2nd Amendment, and with it anyone's right to carry a weapon for defense, I am not so naive to think that a gun alone will save anyone on its own, any more than it will hurt anyone on its own. A gun is an inanimate object, not evil, not good. To make its presence a positive requires much effort and responsibility on the part of the possessor. If one is unwilling to exercise that level of responsibility, then they should not carry a firearm.
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