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No, no. They are not socialists. Not in the UK Labor Party and certainly not here in the American Democratic Party. Surely that is extremist rhetoric to suggest such a thing. Or so the supporters of Barack Obama and the left keep telling us.
And yet, they are. Jeremy Corbyn, a radical leftwing socialist, has just won the leadership of the UK's Labor Party, replacing the Ed Miliband. And Bernie Sanders is currently leading Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary in Iowa and New Hampshire, the first two states to vote next year.
Of course there have been a variety of different flavors of socialism over the years, from the Marxism of the Soviet Union, the Italian Socialism of Benito Musolini, the Fascism of the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi Party) and of course the Communism of China, which is still governed by its Communist party to this very day.
Of course all of the European movements started as Democracies, until the Socialists took power and decided it was better to rule without the consent of the governed. Fortunately for UK, it does not appear that the Labor Party has any immediate opportunities to take that country over.
However, here in the US, the Democratic Party (The American Socialist Party) does control the presidency, and have been ruling increasingly by decree over the last seven years, just like all of the other post-democratic Western socialist governments have done before them.
Your post is very ignorant. The US democrat party is not socialist or even leftist on international standards. Not even within a US context since the Green Party USA and the Socialist party USA, while small are still legit parties in the USA, and they are to the left of democrats. Not even within a US historical context of the 1940s-1970s can the current democrat party.
Corbyn embraces anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers, and homophobes. Which makes me think his socialism is more national in character than the traditional British Labour social democracy, and it also makes me think he would be quite popular among a lot of C-D bigots.
That's the most ridiculous thing I've seen you type Majoun. I find it kind of funny how liberals try to spin their own side's extremism.
Define socialism, using a real world example of a current nation(preferably European), and tell us what you actually disagree with about that nations form of government.
and then explain why you believe that nation is failing or not failing.
That is the problem with socialism. It is a lie right from the jump. It makes a lot of promises that it can never deliver on. It never ends up with "equality" for the people, as promised. Instead, it ends up in totalitarianism, with the state controlling everything, the concept of private property effectively being eliminated, free speech banned and closely controlled, democratic elections ended (if there ever where any), free enterprise strangled and directed by the state, and basic freedom for the people denied.
The naive and the simple minded cheer and support the cause. And when they eventually run out of money, as we are seeing in happen in Greece right now (there are a number of other European socialist leaning democracies queued up and ready to follow this same path) then they tend to go the path of totalitarianism and oppression, as has been the case with a number of socialist governments over the last 100 years, including Russia, Italy, Germany, China, North Korea, and Cuba.
From an article written By Jeremy Corbyn, published in The Guardian (UK) today.
Clearly, Jeremy Corbyn has clipped his socialist governing objectives straight out of Barack Obama's campaign speeches. Birds of a feather. Read it and see for yourself.
The hope of change and bringing big ideas in is now back at the centre of politics: ending austerity, tackling inequality, working for peace and social justice at home and abroad. That’s why the Labour party was founded more than a century ago.
This election has given that founding purpose a new force for the 21st century: a Labour party that gives voice to the 99%.
The next person who denies that Barack Obama has been working to implement what is effectively a socialist agenda to the best of his ability will not be telling the truth.
No, no. They are not socialists. Not in the UK Labor Party and certainly not here in the American Democratic Party. Surely that is extremist rhetoric to suggest such a thing. Or so the supporters of Barack Obama and the left keep telling us.
And yet, they are. Jeremy Corbyn, a radical leftwing socialist, has just won the leadership of the UK's Labor Party, replacing the Ed Miliband. And Bernie Sanders is currently leading Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary in Iowa and New Hampshire, the first two states to vote next year.
Of course there have been a variety of different flavors of socialism over the years, from the Marxism of the Soviet Union, the Italian Socialism of Benito Musolini, the Fascism of the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi Party) and of course the Communism of China, which is still governed by its Communist party to this very day.
Of course all of the European movements started as Democracies, until the Socialists took power and decided it was better to rule without the consent of the governed. Fortunately for UK, it does not appear that the Labor Party has any immediate opportunities to take that country over.
However, here in the US, the Democratic Party (The American Socialist Party) does control the presidency, and have been ruling increasingly by decree over the last seven years, just like all of the other post-democratic Western socialist governments have done before them.
The National Socialist German Worker's party (Nazis) was right wing?
LOL. You do not know what you are talking about. The National Socialist German Workers Party was similar to the other socialist groups at that time in that they made all kinds of promises of salvation by the government on behalf of the workers and the little people, in pursuit of "equality" and all the same crap we routinely hear from leftists today, but the result was a totalitarian nightmare.
Your leftist handlers have been lying to you again if they have been telling you anything other than that the Nazis were socialists - which they call themselves in the name of their party. Seriously, turn your brain on and think for yourself, if you still can.
Thanks Jeremy, you just guaranteed that the Conservatives will be in power until at least 2025!
If Labour's 1983 election manifesto was "the longest suicide note in history" than 2020 will be the shortest suicide note ever, it will have just two words: Jeremy Corbyn. It doesent take a rocket scientist to figure out that the only times Labour has been successful in the last 40 years was 1997, 2001, and 2005 when the party was led by the moderate/centrist "New Labour"/"Third Way" positions of Blair and Brown.
The National Socialist German Worker's party (Nazis) was right wing?
LOL. You do not know what you are talking about. The National Socialist German Workers Party was similar to the other socialist groups at that time in that they made all kinds of promises of salvation by the government on behalf of the workers and the little people, in pursuit of "equality" and all the same crap we routinely hear from leftists today, but the result was a totalitarian nightmare.
Your leftist handlers have been lying to you again if they have been telling you anything other than that the Nazis were socialists - which they call themselves in the name of their party. Seriously, turn your brain on and think for yourself, if you still can.
Yeah no handlers here. I, unlike you, do think for myself. I don't base my opinions on what I hear on the radio and talk shows. The Nazi's genocidal hatred of other races by itself is enough to place them squarely in the right wing corner. They rounded up and killed socialists, communists, etc. before they even got to the Jews. That's left wing? They were extreme nationalists exactly like the conservatives we see in the US today. It's alarming how similar some of the conservative views in this country are to the Nazi creed. Read your history books and quit listening to your right wing puppet masters.
And the Conservative party in Britain is more successful than any other party.
I don't really understand the point of this thread.
While I hate socialism I have to agree at least in part. I think the problem with the OP is not that it isn't newsworthy that such a hard left-winger has become the leader of UK's labor party, it's the content of the opening post. Basically he says he is evil for being socialist and that's it. No interesting thoughts or comments about what this could mean or what might happen. Just "socialism hurr dur".
To add my own thoughts about what this could mean, I don't think this will do UK's labor any favors. Already a considerable reason for why the right-wing including the far-right is growing in Europe is because more and more people are getting sick of failed leftist social policies like multiculturalism and open borders/free immigration. I can't imagine that a hardcore socialist getting to power in labor will do much to lessen this problem.
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