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Are you just expecting everyone to conveniently overlook the fact that abortion has nothing to do with children or ???
This just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. So far in these discussions, I have seen the following arguments:
Unborn children are the moral equivalent of insects
Unborn children are unwelcome intruders in a woman's uterus, so should have no more protection than a criminal breaking into my house
Murdering unborn children has nothing to do with chilren
I've said it before and I'll say it again...liberalism is truly a mental disorder...
You are so pitifully wrong. As a liberal I am NOT in favor of banning guns, and if I had to sum up my feelings on abortion with three words they would be: SAFE, LEGAL and RARE.
Did I say "StillwaterTownie is a liberal and is in favor of banning guns"?
Um...no. I was making a generalization about liberals and the inconsistancy of their causes. The fact that it does not apply 100% to you makes it not one bit less valid.
If it is not viable outside the womb on its own, it is not a child.
Want to try to ask the question yet another way when you don't like the answer?
This is an individual decision. And, I assume you are male. Since you'll never have to face any decisions on this issue, it's easy to have an opinion that you want to push on others.
oz, asked and answered. No one should be involved in a woman's right to choose, except for the woman.
Straw polls have determined that if the right to choose were put to a vote, pro-choice would win. The anti-choice are loud but not the majority. The issue is very simple: don't want an abortion, don't have one.
Pulling out the "gender card" I see. I'd bet you didn't have a problem with the fact that every single member on the court that decided Roe V Wade were male, or the fact that the overwhelmingly majority of abortionist are men and what about the male escorts that walk women into clinics. They all are allowed to have a say right, but then again they are on on your side, so of course they can speak up on abortion.
Men have every right to have a voice in this topic as without them, there would be no babymaking going on. And if the argument is that men can't have an opinion simply b/c they can't get pregnant, then I guess that eliminates all infertile women from this topic. Sorry, oh barren ones, you best sit down and shut up. Same goes for you, post-menopausal women! The fact of the matter is, we can't shut people out of issues just b/c they may not be directly affected by them. We don't disallow white people to speak about racism just b/c they aren't black. We don't say only Jews can speak about the Holocaust. This isn't a gender issue, it's a human rights issue and unborn babies fall under the category of human, so therefore deserve protection. And for those that make it a female issue, just remember that 50% of those babies eliminated by abortion are female. Stand up for your sisters by golly!
Lastly, if it isn't a child, what the heck is it then and how does a trip down the birth canal suddenly transfer this thing into a child? More importantly, how does one's location or environment determine ones rights or worthiness?
I just love the rhetoric "a womans right to choose." Right to choose what? To kill their baby? What about a "mans right to choose" rape? It's no one else's business and you can't tell him what he can and cannot do with his body! Oh, but he is harming another person's body so therefore we can tell him he doesn't have "the right to choose" rape. And just as abortion harms another persons body, a woman should not have the "right to choose" dismemberment of an unborn human being. That's right, I said dismemberment as by the time a woman aborts her baby, it already has limbs and many other distinguishable human features. It's not a blob as the technology of ultrasound will tell you!
Finally, you my friend are the minority as all the polls state that the younger generations are more pro-life than ever!
This just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. So far in these discussions, I have seen the following arguments:
Unborn children are the moral equivalent of insects
Unborn children are unwelcome intruders in a woman's uterus, so should have no more protection than a criminal breaking into my house
Murdering unborn children has nothing to do with chilren
I've said it before and I'll say it again...liberalism is truly a mental disorder...
Not everyone who opposes making abortion a criminal act is a liberal, you know. I base my opposition on the idea that my family is a superior decision-making authority to the USG.
If other women and other families are too dysfunctional to recognize their own genetic self-interest and make smart decisions about abortion and birth control, then that's not really my problem, is it? Kind of like I don't give a hoot about who kills who in gangland Los Angeles; I care about my family, my business, and my children.
Writing nitpicky laws to protect the idiot class does nothing but hassle me and mine.
This just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. So far in these discussions, I have seen the following arguments:
Unborn children are the moral equivalent of insects
Unborn children are unwelcome intruders in a woman's uterus, so should have no more protection than a criminal breaking into my house
Murdering unborn children has nothing to do with chilren
I've said it before and I'll say it again...liberalism is truly a mental disorder...
Dunkel25, you crack me up!
Dehumanizing the unborn seems to be their biggest tool! I have to say I have never heard the insect one- that's a new one. Calling the unborn a parasite though is my favorite to date, gotta love that one! I really should start keeping track though as the terms only get more ridiculous!
Not everyone who opposes making abortion a criminal act is a liberal, you know. I base my opposition on the idea that my family is a superior decision-making authority to the USG.
If other women and other families are too dysfunctional to recognize their own genetic self-interest and make smart decisions about abortion and birth control, then that's not really my problem, is it? Kind of like I don't give a hoot about who kills who in gangland Los Angeles; I care about my family, my business, and my children.
Writing nitpicky laws to protect the idiot class does nothing but hassle me and mine.
How about writing nitpicky laws to protect innocent children from being gruesomely murdered?
I really don't care what idiots do to their own bodies, whether it's injesting drugs, sticking their body parts in holes not designed to be pentrated, or whatever. But when they start murdering children, yeah, I'm going to sit up and take notice.
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This just keeps getting more and more ridiculous. So far in these discussions, I have seen the following arguments:
Unborn children are the moral equivalent of insects
Unborn children are unwelcome intruders in a woman's uterus, so should have no more protection than a criminal breaking into my house
Murdering unborn children has nothing to do with chilren
I've said it before and I'll say it again...liberalism is truly a mental disorder...
What's ridiculous is people claiming that a fertilized egg is a baby, a child, or a full-blown human being yet having absolutely nothing to support those claims.
Your statement "Murdering unborn children has nothing to do with chilren" is just plain silly in this context, the truth is the term "children" has nothing to do with abortion.
You are so pitifully wrong. As a liberal I am NOT in favor of banning guns, and if I had to sum up my feelings on abortion with three words they would be: SAFE, LEGAL and RARE.
Safe, legal and rare- So cliche!
Safe!! The conditions in too many abortion clinics in the United States are horrendous!! They look as if they came out of a third world country! And some of the conditions these women are sent home with- even more horrendous. How's having your intenstines come out your cervix sound? What about 20 year olds having to get emergency hysterectomies due to left over baby parts causing severe infections? What about the abortionist who was ratted on by his own employees for microwaving a dead fetus and mixing it into his lunch? Yeah, I'm not willing to call abortion safe just yet.
Rare!! Does the number 50 million sound rare to you? Everyone, whether prolife or prochoice should be appalled by that number!
Legal!! I go back to stating that legalality doesn't determine morality. African Americans were once legally deemed "non-persons" and property of white men. Legal doesn't mean right.
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Um...no. I was making a generalization about liberals and the inconsistancy of their causes. The fact that it does not apply 100% to you makes it not one bit less valid.
Just where are the inconsistencies you claim?
If you want to talk about inconsistencies why aren't you talking about the self-righteous right who claim to stand for less government and then attempt to create more? For those who preach 'family values' and have anything (Hi Newt!) but?
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