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"It Can't Rain All The Time"
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Originally Posted by DPolo
Presentation it's all about presentation !
US involves in wars as often as Russia. You can google Russia wars and US wars. Every 10 years each country is involved in some war on another.
Between WW1 and WW2 allot of people dies, not just in Russia but in Europe as well. I am sure you have seen movies about starvation in Europe around 100 years ago.
Russian economy is Consumer based much like US. They sell natural resources, timber, oil stones and metals. I agree with you that it is fair to criticize them for not producing much. I mean the state of California while in a drought has grater Gross Domestic product then Russia !
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US involves in wars as often as Russia.
The U.S. involves itself in wars to help establish some sense of humanity and to keep the American people safe. Safe from what? Safe from a change in leadership.
Russia on the other hand involves itself in wars why? To obtain that which does not belong to them.
So remind me again - why the US does not "involve itself in war to help establish some sense of humanity?"
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and to keep the American people safe. Safe from what? Safe from a change in leadership.
You know, I would have believed your words 30 years ago, during Soviet era. But the more times are progressing, the more obvious it becomes that corporate America ( that's currently in charge) is hardly less evil than Soviet Russia. Yet it keeps on demanding "no change in leadership" and obtaining precisely, what you mentioned further - "which does not belong to it," namely - natural resources of other countries.
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Russia on the other hand involves itself in wars why? To obtain that which does not belong to them.
Russia on another hand involves itself in wars when she sees her national interests threatened.
And the sphere of her national interests is much narrower than the sphere of American national interests.
For this reason Russians don't need those "lily pads" that "peaceful America" keeps on increasing around the world, *strangely enough.*
The U.S. involves itself in wars to help establish some sense of humanity and to keep the American people safe. Safe from what? Safe from a change in leadership.
Russia on the other hand involves itself in wars why? To obtain that which does not belong to them.
Yeah?
I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap too.
We installed a Shah in Iran after WW2 for the sense of humanity, not oil, when he became more tyrannical and oppressive did we do anything? Hell no, we removed the democratically elected prime minister, who opposed our despot and happened to have leanings towards Russia instead (and who could blame him, since we supported the despot).
In parallel to that we supported the Ba'athist Party in Iraq, you remember them don't you? They were led by Saddam Hussein in the end, and we supported him while he gassed Kurds in Northern Iraq, and during his war with Iran, where he used chemical weapons too, because we were establishing a sense of humanity and it had nothing to do with oil.
We've supported the Saud Family since the end of WW2, because you know it establishes a sense of humanity and has nothing to do with oil.
The Contra's were well known humanitarians too, we involved ourselves in Nicaragua purely for humanitarian reasons. I mean how much more humanitarian can you be when you specifically target health clinics and workers for assassination?
Make no mistake, the US only involves itself in wars to establish some form of economic advantage. If we did not, then where were we in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge rule? Oh, nowhere, it was eventually removed by Vietnam (how is that for irony). Why have we done nothing about North Korea? Is it that there is little economic gain in doing so?
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the ideology of the country is, the intention of any intervention is not altruism, but economic.
So remind me again - why the US does not "involve itself in war to help establish some sense of humanity?"
You know, I would have believed your words 30 years ago, during Soviet era. But the more times are progressing, the more obvious it becomes that corporate America ( that's currently in charge) is hardly less evil than Soviet Russia. Yet it keeps on demanding "no change in leadership" and obtaining precisely, what you mentioned further - "which does not belong to it," namely - natural resources of other countries.
Russia on another hand involves itself in wars when she sees her national interests threatened.
And the sphere of her national interests is much narrower than the sphere of American national interests.
For this reason Russians don't need those "lily pads" that "peaceful America" keeps on increasing around the world, *strangely enough.*
Quote from your link: "Human rights organization Reprieve has urged the European Union to intervene with Saudi Arabia to prevent the killings."
It's a U.S interest why? The article says nothing about asking the U.N. or the U.S. for help in the situation.
Yes, I guess 30 years ago, my words would ring truer than what they do today. (you may want to ask yourself why that is and look at our society as a whole for the answer) However, I must believe our men and women in the military 'today' and all those involved, there is that sense of humanity left and they will rise above corporate influence. Corporate influence is more in the political field, where as they, provide campaign funds. Tell me if you as an individual wouldn't do the same and fund those who you think would make appropriate leaders according to your morals and ethics.
Russia and her national interest, does that include humanity? Are they rescuing people from oppression environment? Or are they playing a really good game of chess? Did Syria threaten their national interest? If so, how?
Also, the lily pads ... what is the purpose really? So far, you have yet to say anything to make me go were as the U.S. is concerned. Except if you can look at Putin and believe he'd make a good POTUS.
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"It Can't Rain All The Time"
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Originally Posted by Gungnir
Yeah?
I got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale cheap too.
We installed a Shah in Iran after WW2 for the sense of humanity, not oil, when he became more tyrannical and oppressive did we do anything? Hell no, we removed the democratically elected prime minister, who opposed our despot and happened to have leanings towards Russia instead (and who could blame him, since we supported the despot).
In parallel to that we supported the Ba'athist Party in Iraq, you remember them don't you? They were led by Saddam Hussein in the end, and we supported him while he gassed Kurds in Northern Iraq, and during his war with Iran, where he used chemical weapons too, because we were establishing a sense of humanity and it had nothing to do with oil.
We've supported the Saud Family since the end of WW2, because you know it establishes a sense of humanity and has nothing to do with oil.
The Contra's were well known humanitarians too, we involved ourselves in Nicaragua purely for humanitarian reasons. I mean how much more humanitarian can you be when you specifically target health clinics and workers for assassination?
Make no mistake, the US only involves itself in wars to establish some form of economic advantage. If we did not, then where were we in Cambodia during the Khmer Rouge rule? Oh, nowhere, it was eventually removed by Vietnam (how is that for irony). Why have we done nothing about North Korea? Is it that there is little economic gain in doing so?
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the ideology of the country is, the intention of any intervention is not altruism, but economic.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with oil, but a belief. And even though I understand what you are saying, there is more to this than what meets the eye. (ME, ideology, began 700 BC ... usher in the 12th Imam; do whatever it takes)
The U.S. established itself as an experiment in freedom. Are we so far removed from that idea, there is no understanding of our purpose?
(I'll get back to you on Saudi and Contra, I have my good days and bad ones, today is not a good day for that)
Some people are drawn to a forceful personality because they think a strong king will protect them and their friends. Putin is a strong king. Putin is also anathema to those of us, like me, that will never have any truce with a king.
As far as Russia's or our involvement in the Middle East both powers should get out now and let the natives settle their own scores no matter how much damage it does to our investors or to Israel.
And it has absolutely nothing to do with oil, but a belief. And even though I understand what you are saying, there is more to this than what meets the eye. (ME, ideology, began 700 BC ... usher in the 12th Imam; do whatever it takes)
What? You're spouting some interpretation of scripture from a blog, so in effect what you're saying is "we're good it says so in the bible, if you take every 12th letter of Judges, interleaved with every 15th of Ecclesiastes" but Russia is bad because... REASONS!
Yup, bridge is still for sale, it's right there beside the US being good in Judges and Ecclesiastes, so you know it's no con job.
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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell
The U.S. established itself as an experiment in freedom. Are we so far removed from that idea, there is no understanding of our purpose?
(I'll get back to you on Saudi and Contra, I have my good days and bad ones, today is not a good day for that)
No, the reason we're up Russia's hind-end about this is the "notus" principle. We can do these things altruistically, but anyone "notus" can't.
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were as the U.S. is concerned. Except if you can look at Putin and believe he'd make a good POTUS.
