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And they're doing a bang-up job of it, I must say.
Right they can say whatever, it means nothing unless it shows in their actions. Of course, most Muslims are good citizens but a majority still support Sharia as the Law from Allah over man made laws from a Constitution. Then you have routine bombings around the world, beheadings, rape, slavery all in the name of the religion. So if Islam is a religion of peace, don't say it, show it.
Take this thread along with the Popes media coverage and it just supports my theory if the world was all Atheist, we'd all be better off. It's obvious that all the killing over who has the right god will never end.
There's a major problem with that also. When atheists ruled Soviet Union, Mao in China, Laos, Germany, they killed millions. Buddhists have been pretty peaceful.
It seems to me that there's always an imam somewhere who's issuing a fatwa against this thing or that thing; so if the Muslim leaders (whoever they are) truly cared about their co-religionists being trampled to death, they should issue a fatwa saying that, henceforth, the Hajj will be in operation 24/7/365 in perpetuity, and one may visit Mecca anytime one feels like it and fulfill their obligations at their own convenience and on their own schedule. That would do wonders for spreading out the crowds and avoiding the panic that comes from fearing that they'd better get in there quick or else they won't get to finish on time, and I would bet that the incidences of stampedes would be eliminated.
So how 'bout it, Muslim leaders? Anyone want to step up and save some lives?
I gotta be honest, I don't really care if a bunch of people not following the rules die in a stampede. It happens at rock concerts, sporting events, etc. Why is this any MORE tragic than people dying in a stampede at a soccer stadium in Europe? (Hint: It's not.)
Who said it was MORE tragic? Anything like this is tragic. I find the responses on here despicable. Does anyone have any sort of decency anymore?
There's a major problem with that also. When atheists ruled Soviet Union, Mao in China, Laos, Germany, they killed millions. Buddhists have been pretty peaceful.
Point taken, but there is a difference between Socialism and Atheism. And we've proven Socialism doesn't work.
Right they can say whatever, it means nothing unless it shows in their actions. Of course, most Muslims are good citizens but a majority still support Sharia as the Law from Allah over man made laws from a Constitution. Then you have routine bombings around the world, beheadings, rape, slavery all in the name of the religion. So if Islam is a religion of peace, don't say it, show it.
First you have to know what Shatia is that many of us suppoer. Very few Muslims support the Wahhabi Sharia of Saudi or the Jaf'ari of Iran or the self proclaimed sharia of militants.
Many of us American Muslims see no need for the adaptation of Sharia Criminal laws as the Hadd crimes are illegal in the US anyhow.
When many of us say we want Sharia what we mean is recognition of the Civil law as found in the 4 madhabs and the right for civil matters (not criminal matters) between consenting Muslims to be settled by an Islamic tribunal and not by a non-Muslim court.
Actually it is more a matter of principle and not necessity as we already do so simply by filing all contracts between Muslims as Business contracts and state the terms of negotiation. within the contract.
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the overwhelming majority of Muslims onHajj are not Saudis
Only between 10 and 15% of Muslims are Arab. The Pilgrims on Hajj usually reflect the world demographics about 2/3 being Asiatic, !0% being Arab and About 10% of the Arabs being Saudi.The remainder being Muslims from Europe, Australia and the Americas.
The KSA stresses that Pilgrims use approved travel agencies if going to Mecca for either Hajj or Umrah. Umrah is not the Hajj all Muslims are required to make if possible.
Here is a site giving the Saudi requirements for an American entering Saudi for Hajj or Umrah
For those who think Saudi forbids vaccinations, notice that all visitors entering Saudi are required to be up to date on all vaccinations.
Currently because of the huge amount of construction taking place at Mecca Saudi has cut back on the number of pilgrims allowed into the country.
But the majority of pilgrims will continue to be Indonesian, Malay and Chinese as they are nearly 2/3 of the world's Muslims. Many non-Muslims are surprised to learn that Arabs are the smallest Minority of Muslims. There are more white American Muslims than the combined population of the 6 smallest Arab Nations.
Do you mean white American as in European Americans, or are you using US census definition of white, which includes Arabs?
And to put it into perspective, what IS the population of the 6 smallest Arab nations?
First you have to know what Shatia is that many of us suppoer. Very few Muslims support the Wahhabi Sharia of Saudi or the Jaf'ari of Iran or the self proclaimed sharia of militants.
Many of us American Muslims see no need for the adaptation of Sharia Criminal laws as the Hadd crimes are illegal in the US anyhow.
When many of us say we want Sharia what we mean is recognition of the Civil law as found in the 4 madhabs and the right for civil matters (not criminal matters) between consenting Muslims to be settled by an Islamic tribunal and not by a non-Muslim court.
Actually it is more a matter of principle and not necessity as we already do so simply by filing all contracts between Muslims as Business contracts and state the terms of negotiation. within the contract.
I managed Contracts in Saudi that were enacted under Sharia Law so I studied to understand the basics of Sharia as it concerns business agreements. I don't have a problem with any parties contracting to do business following the precepts of Sharia. But in matters of family and criminal codes, Sharia is too disruptive and in contradiction to Common Law and US Civil Laws and our Constitutional Rights. The fact so many US Muslims support Sharia is very troubling since Western Common Laws and Civil Codes have proven superior to developing a society and Sharia has no tolerance for people who don't follow Sharia (Infidels).
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