Hypocrites: Keep Kim Davis Religious Views Out of Government, but Implement the Pope's Religious Views In Government (legal, free speech)
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I'm saying he's here as a head of state and contrary to what you seem to think, no different than any other head of state.
Perhaps we need a clarification from you. Are you actually alleging the words of a head of state are not a different situation than a government employee refusing to do her job? If you are, it's silly, if you're not, the claim of hypocrisy in the OP is baseless.
Burdell, you're trying to have it both ways by couching in as "head of state" ....not political...not religious...but head of state. Do you not see how such hedging completely undercuts your broader argument?
It's the Pope for goodness sakes....OF COURSE he's espousing religious doctrine!
The first time a legislator cites the Pope as inspiration for drafting legislation, will you denounce the lawmaker for using a religious reasons to push forward legislation? If not, then it sounds like you believe religious points of view and government regulation can co-exist.
If that's the case, Kim Davis is owed an apology.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Bill Clinton cited the 2,000 mentions in the Bible of helping the poor as a moral foundation for his policies.
Jimmy Carter has long used his Christian faith as a foundation for his policy and humanitarian work.
I honestly don't know why this is a new concept. Inspiration can come from anywhere. Inspiration doesn't break the law.
I/2 of the Senate and 1/4 of the House including the speaker are Catholic. And by golly, some are Republican.
Kim Davis declined to perform her job.
The pope shares his opinion. Huge diff.
I have no interest in the pope's opinion.
But the Pope's opinion as a religious leader will undoubtedly inspire legislation. Will you then cry foul? If not, then that suggests that you believe government regulation and religion can co-exist. At which point Kim Davis will be owed an apology.
When the Pope pushes a "moral obligation" backed by religion, it makes hypocrites out of every living, breathing supportive Democrat and liberal in America:
1) Keep Kim Davis's religious views out of government!
2) Take the Pope's religious views on American social policy and incorporate them into government law and regulation!
Both of which affect American's, but only one of which liberals support!
The hypocrisy is downright disgusting!
I agree to some extent. I think that both Kim Davis is flat out 100% wrong (which she is), and that the Pope has no place addressing congress (which is how I would feel about any religious leader).
The only difference is that Kim Davis is a law breaking ignorant douche bag. The Pope is actually an appointed leader of the church of a billion people. However, he still has no place addressing the US congress.
I have no idea what you're talking about. Bill Clinton cited the 2,000 mentions in the Bible of helping the poor as a moral foundation for his policies.
Jimmy Carter has long used his Christian faith as a foundation for his policy and humanitarian work.
I honestly don't know why this is a new concept. Inspiration can come from anywhere. Inspiration doesn't break the law.
Refusing to uphold the law breaks the law.
So, it sounds like you're perfectly fine with religion being the moral authority for which laws are created? Is that a new plank in liberal ideology? That's pretty earth-shattering coming from the ideology that believes homosexuality should be normalized through American laws.
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Burdell, you're trying to have it both ways by couching in as "head of state" ....not political...not religious...but head of state. Do you not see how such hedging completely undercuts your broader argument?
It's the Pope for goodness sakes....OF COURSE he's espousing religious doctrine!
HOW is suggesting the US and Cuba improve relations a RELIGIOUS doctrine?
HOW is talking about MAN affecting the environment RELIGIOYUS doctrine?
I believe the OP is a baseless accusation of hypocrisy and just another one of your 'liberal this' and liberal that' whines and you're now trying to distance yourself from it.
So I'll ask: Just HOW is a speech given by a visiting head of state remotely comparable to a government employee refusing to do her job?
Please answer THAT specific question without continual attempts at deflection.
I agree to some extent. I think that both Kim Davis is flat out 100% wrong (which she is), and that the Pope has no place addressing congress (which is how I would feel about any religious leader).
The only difference is that Kim Davis is a law breaking ignorant douche bag. The Pope is actually an appointed leader of the church of a billion people. However, he still has no place addressing the US congress.
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But the Pope's opinion as a religious leader will undoubtedly inspire legislation. Will you then cry foul? If not, then that suggests that you believe government regulation and religion can co-exist. At which point Kim Davis will be owed an apology.
That would depend on the legislation, if it was secular, and here's a tip for you, the Pope is actually allowed to and does have secular thoughts, I'd be fine with it. BUT, if the legislation was based purely on religion I would indeed cry foul. And Kim Davis should be owed nothing but a severance check.
BTW, I'll note you have yet to answer : Just HOW is a speech given by a visiting head of state remotely comparable to a government employee refusing to do her job?
But the Pope's opinion as a religious leader will undoubtedly inspire legislation.
By the bye, the Pope is the head of state of Vatican City a sovereign city-state.
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