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Old 09-25-2015, 05:29 AM
 
Location: E ND & NW MN
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The Federal Government Employees look forward to yet another paid vacation, last time they even received unemployment benefits. It's a waste of money and accomplishes absolutely nothing.

Shutting down government to defund Planned Parenthood, neither makes any sense.
And I get to work still and get no pay while working.... wonderful. But yeah I believe every government shutdown costs more in the long run than it saves.... a useless political tool that never benefits the ones who want it.

 
Old 09-25-2015, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Attempting to defund an organization that prevents unwanted births because you don't like abortions is bad enough, going the extra mile to shut down government really makes no sense at all.
 
Old 09-25-2015, 05:51 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Attempting to defund an organization that prevents unwanted births because you don't like abortions is bad enough, going the extra mile to shut down government really makes no sense at all.
Isn't it Obama who will be shutting down the Govt? Seems like the elected majority does not want to fund PP.

Should the Govt fund abortions? I'm Pro Choice and don't believe they should.
 
Old 09-25-2015, 06:15 AM
 
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Isn't it Obama who will be shutting down the Govt? Seems like the elected majority does not want to fund PP.

Should the Govt fund abortions? I'm Pro Choice and don't believe they should.
And they don't. Current law prohibits funding for abortions. Planned Parenthood provides other women's health services to the poor, such as cancer screening, prenatal care, etc. They can't spend any of their federally supplied funds on abortions.

The proposed budget does not change that.
 
Old 09-25-2015, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Isn't it Obama who will be shutting down the Govt? Seems like the elected majority does not want to fund PP.

Should the Govt fund abortions? I'm Pro Choice and don't believe they should.
No it will be congress again, regardless of which side of the issue you fall on are there not bigger issues to address like DOD spending and the deficit. Shutting down the government at a cost of $4B to take away $3.5M in funding from PP, that makes no logical sense.

The $3.5M does not go to the abortions by the way, that really is what makes this even more nonsensical.
 
Old 09-25-2015, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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McConnel and Boehner are a pox on the republican party. They should probably run as democrats in the future
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Who cares if the government shuts down? The elderly still have medicare and social security and we still have a military. I think we would be just fine if the federal government shut down for a very long period of time.
That's exactly right! Anyone who actually wants to govern has no business in the Republican Party.

It is sad what has happened to a once great political party, that now is made up of members who think it's "just fine if the federal government shut down for a very long period of time." Who cares if contractors can't get paid and workers can't pay their bills.

Fortunately, even during a shutdown, national security, public safety, Social Security, the State Dept, Air traffic control, emergency medical care, border patrol, federal prisons, most law enforcement, emergency and disaster assistance, anyone overseeing the banking system, operating the power grid, and guarding federal property, won't be affected.
 
Old 09-25-2015, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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No it will be congress again, regardless of which side of the issue you fall on are there not bigger issues to address like DOD spending and the deficit. Shutting down the government at a cost of $4B to take away $3.5M in funding from PP, that makes no logical sense.

The $3.5M does not go to the abortions by the way, that really is what makes this even more nonsensical.
I am out of rep bullets for you.

You point is right on target. If anything proves that conservatives really aren't the fiscal hawks they say they are, this does. They are ideologically driven and if wasting $4 billion in taxpayer money to try to stop Planned Parenthood from getting $3.5 million, so be it, says the right-wing.
 
Old 09-25-2015, 06:56 AM
 
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McConnel and Boehner are a pox on the republican party. They should probably run as democrats in the future
RINOs. Completely bought & paid for and beholding to special interests.
 
Old 09-25-2015, 06:57 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Isn't it Obama who will be shutting down the Govt? Seems like the elected majority does not want to fund PP.

Should the Govt fund abortions? I'm Pro Choice and don't believe they should.
The government isn't funding abortions. The government contracts with all types of groups, including churches to provide certain functions. Saying that the government funds abortions (which is 3% of what PP does) because it pays for other services that PP provides, is like saying the government pays for religion because it contracts with churches to provide secular services.
 
Old 09-25-2015, 07:20 AM
 
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Isn't it Obama who will be shutting down the Govt? Seems like the elected majority does not want to fund PP.
Once the president vetoes a bill, the ball is back in Congress's court. It's their move, so to speak. If it's a vital bill, their move should be to go back and rework it so it will be signed so the government doesn't grind to a halt.

But if their move is to declare that they refuse to work anymore because they don't have the ability to override a presidential veto, it is they, and not the president, who shut down the government. It's their move, and that's the move they decide to take rather than do what they need to do so that this vital bill passes.

So no, it will not be Obama who shuts the government down.

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