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Old 12-22-2015, 09:42 AM
 
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Cruz's mother was born in Wilmington, Delaware. Unless you have evidence that she renounced her citizenship she absolutely was an American citizen when Cruz was born. And that means Cruz is a natural born citizen and qualified to be president.
No, it doesn't. As I've explained and illustrated before in other threads...

The reason why those born a dual (or more) citizen are precluded from eligibility for POTUS via the natural born citizen clause is because the Founding Fathers correctly recognized that the foreign country has the valid legal right to assert their country's laws upon the born dual (or more) citizen individual at any time regardless of where they are, worldwide.

Prime example: the U.S. citizens impressed into service for the British Royal Navy in the early 19th century. Many if not most of those men were born in the U.S. to a parent (father, given the historical era) who had been a British subject at birth and were therefore dual citizens at birth. They were subject to British law even if they had never left the U.S. The UK has the legal international right to enforce their own laws on their own subjects/citizens, worldwide.

The US State Dept to this day warns about this very same problem afflicting any and all who were born dual citizens or later become dual citizens at some point in their life:
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"Each country has its own nationality laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice.

"...The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. nationals may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist nationals abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance.

However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there."
Dual Nationality

What happens when a foreign country similarly impresses a born dual citizen POTUS into service for them, as they most certainly would have the legal right to do under international law?

That's what the Founding Fathers were trying to avoid with the 'natural born citizen' requirement. They wanted POTUS to have no split, dual, or otherwise compromised/competing allegiance from birth to prevent that possibility.

Pretty simple, really. And extremely reasonable to require a POTUS and the Commander in Chief of our military to have 100% allegiance to the U.S. from birth, with no competing/conflicting foreign claims on his/her allegiance or service.

To be clear: the problem is conflicting/competing allegiance at birth via dual (or more) citizenship, and a foreign country's valid legal right according to international law to enforce its laws upon its own citizens/subjects, worldwide.

Renouncing a citizenship with which one is born is iffy. In times of war or conflict, that renunciation may not be recognized. That's what happened in the early 19th century to U.S. citizen men born in the U.S. to parents (fathers, given that historical era) who had been born British subjects before the U.S. gained independence. Even though those U.S.-born men had never stepped foot in England and had been U.S. citizens all their lives, the UK had the legal right under international law to impress them into service in the British Royal Navy because they were the progeny of those who had been born British subjects, and therefore were also British subjects themselves under British law.

That aside, it's shocking that so many are on board with ripping the Constitution to shreds on more than just this issue (e.g., at the very least, the First, Second, and Sixth Amendments are also currently under attack: publicly speaking critically of Muslims, gun controls/bans, No Fly list compiled without due process).

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Old 12-22-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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his mother very likely was NOT an american citizen when he was born in Canada in 1970

yes this does bother me .. If his mother was a canadian citizen then that makes Cruz a Illegal and inedgable to be in any public office ..

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Ted Cruz must show naturalization papers to keep his US Senate seat | Examiner.com

Where is there any evidence that his mother was not a US citizen at the time of the birth or that she had applied for and was granted Canadian citizenship? Nothing in that article provides any sort of evidence of that nature. Nothing but pure opinion and conjecture.

The "timeline" linked from the article is a horribly misspelled list of dates with no proof associated with the descriptions. Also, the timeline includes a statement made by a Toronto lawyer in a 2013 newspaper article in the Dallas Morning News about Cruz being Canadian. Hardly a reliable source, and the article says NOTHING with regard to Cruz' mother renouncing her US citizenship in order to become a Canadian citizen. More Birther BS.

I certainly want the truth to be out in the open. If Cruz is indeed, ineligible to run for the office of President, that should be made public as soon as possible so that people can focus their support to a viable candidate.

At this point, without more, I don't have any reason not to believe that Cruz is eligible and I will continue to support his candidacy.

Additionally, there is no dispute that Cruz has held US citizenship for more than 9 years prior to his election into the senate, therefore, this issue is moot.

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Old 12-23-2015, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Default Why isn't the media revealing who Ted Cruz's roots are?

Ted Cruz is a canadian citizen who migrated here with his Cuban born father when he was 10 years old. His father was a soldier in Fidel Castro's army.

BTW an eloquent caller to RUSH today revealed that Cruz's
wife has worked for Goldman Sachs and the CFR. Rush implied
that the caller was a kook. The caller's point was that Cruz is
probably compromised.
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Old 12-23-2015, 01:36 AM
 
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Cause the MSM and the elites will do anything or prop up anyone to defeat trump and get Hillary elected. The fear is the support of Trump is people with the Pitch forks out and are feed up with washington. The Media being the propganda machines they are support and display what they are told. Just like the others before (Rubio, Bush, Walker, Perry, Carson) Cruz is the next inline the same ones proping him now will be ripping him apart in a GE with Hillary.
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Old 12-23-2015, 02:13 AM
 
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The children of U.S. citizens (Cruz's mother is American) are eligible to become POTUS unless the Supreme Court declares otherwise.
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Old 12-23-2015, 02:20 AM
 
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Ted Cruz is a canadian citizen
He was a dual citizen but has formally renounced his Canadian citizenship.


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who migrated here with his Cuban born father when he was 10 years old.
He was four by all accounts when his family moved to Texas from Canada, not that it matters to his eligibility.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz
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Old 12-23-2015, 02:30 AM
 
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I'd like to see Teds fathers immigration papers into the USA then into Canada then back again into the USA,
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:36 AM
 
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Ted Cruz is a canadian citizen who migrated here with his Cuban born father when he was 10 years old. His father was a soldier in Fidel Castro's army.

BTW an eloquent caller to RUSH today revealed that Cruz's
wife has worked for Goldman Sachs and the CFR. Rush implied
that the caller was a kook. The caller's point was that Cruz is
probably compromised.
Cruz held dual citizenship and is eligible to run for president. I would however like to know why he didn't denounce his Canadian citizen until 2014. That really irks me. His father is a mixed bag of sorts, I hate that he fought with Castro. However, he's not running for office. I would like to know how the father influenced his son. Is there a relationship between the father's church and the sponsoring of illegal aliens. Does Cruz Jr have some sort of soft spot in that regard. What prompted him to go to the border with Glenn Beck and unload supplies. I could care less that his wife worked for Goldman Sachs. If the pay was right, I'd work for them too.
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Old 12-23-2015, 03:43 AM
 
Location: Japan
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Cruz held dual citizenship and is eligible to run for president. I would however like to know why he didn't denounce his Canadian citizen until 2014. That really irks me.
Why?
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Old 12-23-2015, 04:29 AM
 
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If the majority of voters want Cruz as their President thats fine thats how the Democratic process works, but those who would vote for this guy know what you are getting for your vote as its more than just repealing Obamacare=
Cruz, wants to be an ultra-conservative president, : a classist president, an anti-choice president, a pro-gun president, a pro-war president, a racist president, a homophobic president, a theocratic president, a xenophobic president. This is a politician who thinks free condoms at universities constitute sufficient women’s health care. He believes the Bible always wins when it comes down to a choice between it and the Constitution.
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