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View Poll Results: Do you think America will adopt more "Europeanized" labor/social system?
Yes 25 60.98%
No 16 39.02%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-29-2015, 04:23 AM
 
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Let's hope so, but don't hold your breath over it. I don't expect Congress to work out their mess and divide any time soon.

 
Old 09-29-2015, 04:26 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Before Obamacare, I would have said yes. But the much higher costs of Obamacare to most people forced onto new plans has now turned the majority against sharing the wealth, with the belief in the "right" to health care losing support, dramatically:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/15....html?referer=
 
Old 09-29-2015, 04:27 AM
 
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We're definitely moving in that direction.

I mean... have ya'll ever been around Millennials? Most of them have had BAD experiences with our brutal American form of capitalism. They see the shrill hypocrisy of their teabagger parents- and they're having none of it. That's true of politics- and also religion.

We Gen-X'ers are a relatively right-wing bunch. But the Millennial generation is VAST compared to mine. Once the Baby Boomers (The Selfish Generation) is in the nursing home and no longer voting... this country is gonna take a HARD left turn. Really it's already starting.

And it's about damn time. The American middle class has been absolutely looted since Reagan busted the unions and re-distributed every last dime to the billionaires. Time to take back what's ours... PREFERABLY by force.
I'm Gen X, and I think you're right. I absolutely love this. I talk to a lot of Millennials, and they swing hard, hard left. Unfortunately, they're more left on social issues than economic ones, but they're still very left when compared to boomers or X-ers. Once these aging hippycrites die off, we can finally move forward in this country.
 
Old 09-29-2015, 04:33 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Let's hope so, but don't hold your breath over it. I don't expect Congress to work out their mess and divide any time soon.
Seriously? You "hope so?" Why?
 
Old 09-29-2015, 04:35 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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What specifically has happened in the past 7 or 8 years that has turned the US into a socialist country? Other than a Democrat winning a presidential election....because that doesn't qualify as a socialist country....
You can't be serious.
 
Old 09-29-2015, 05:05 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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What specifically has happened in the past 7 or 8 years that has turned the US into a socialist country? Other than a Democrat winning a presidential election....because that doesn't qualify as a socialist country....
Don't you remember when Obama created the socialist agency to deliver the mail? How about when he created the socialist army and navy? Then, he signed an executive order forcing the states to have socialist police forces and schools.
 
Old 09-29-2015, 05:09 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Before Obamacare, I would have said yes. But the much higher costs of Obamacare to most people forced onto new plans has now turned the majority against sharing the wealth, with the belief in the "right" to health care losing support, dramatically:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/15....html?referer=
Obamacare lowered the cost of health iNsurance. Many get subsidies. The young get cheap plans. Some get expanded Medicaid. The wealthy do pay more.
 
Old 09-29-2015, 05:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Obamacare lowered the cost of health iNsurance.
Not when the sky high deductibles are added in. People AREN'T happy about getting gouged by Obamacare. Look at how dramatically the sentiment changed:

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"The erosion of the belief in health care as a government-protected right is perhaps the most dramatic reflection of these trends. In 2006, by a margin of more than two to one, 69-28, those surveyed by Gallup said that the federal government should guarantee health care coverage for all citizens of the United States. By late 2014, however, Gallup found that this percentage had fallen 24 points to 45 percent, while the percentage of respondents who said health care is not a federal responsibility nearly doubled to 52 percent."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/op...alth.html?_r=0

24 percentage point drop. And it's not surprising why. Obamacare is WAY too costly for WAY too many people.

Nice to see people coming to their senses, though. They're finally putting 2+2 together. When the poor are given ever more free stuff, everyone else has to PAY for it. Apparently, that has never been more clear as it is now that many people's and families' access to health care has been thwarted by the very high Obamacare premiums, restrictions to more limited Drs and facilities, and insane deductibles. That hits them a little too close to home, so they're rejecting the notion of sharing the wealth more than ever now (had been a trend before; the Obamacare fiasco blew the rejection through the roof).

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"Rather than pay so much out-of-pocket, many skip checkups, scrimp on care"
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ance/19841235/
 
Old 09-29-2015, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Not when the sky high deductibles are added in.

Source: https://www.healthpocket.com/healthc...f-pocket-costs


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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
People AREN'T happy about getting gouged by Obamacare. Look at how dramatically the sentiment changed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/op...alth.html?_r=0

24 percentage point drop. And it's not surprising why. Obamacare is WAY too costly for WAY too many people.

Nice to see people coming to their senses, though. They're finally putting 2+2 together. When the poor are given ever more free stuff, everyone else has to PAY for it. Apparently, that has never been more clear as it is now that many people's and families' access to health care has been thwarted by the very high Obamacare premiums, restrictions to more limited Drs and facilities, and insane deductibles. That hits them a little too close to home, so they're rejecting the notion of sharing the wealth more than ever now (had been a trend before; the Obamacare fiasco blew the rejection through the roof).


Dilemma over deductibles: Costs crippling middle class
That's an opinion piece.

There are other views:

74 percent of Republicans are happy with their new ObamaCare plans

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When asked what they think of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), colloquially known as ObamaCare, Republicans are scathing and united in their disapproval. According to Gallup, 87 percent of Republicans disapprove of the law, and 77 percent think it will make the healthcare situation worse.

But in terms of their own experiences with ObamaCare?

According to a new poll taken by the Commonwealth Fund, people enrolled in ObamaCare are satisfied. And yes, that includes Republicans
To repeat, Obamacare premiums are lower
 
Old 09-29-2015, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Yes, but to believe that taxes won't go up is naive.
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