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Old 10-01-2015, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Why would you need an investigation when there is a set of videos on YouTube in which PP employees discuss altering abortion techniques to preserve certain highly prized organs for individuals they believe are baby organ dealers?
[sarcasm]

Yes, absolutely, since we all know that (1) the videos were made by independent and unbiased professionals, (2) the videos were not edited in any way, and (3) decisions made on federal funding of anything should be based on the authoritative videos that can be found on YouTube.

Yeah, no need for an investigation at all.

[/sarcasm]

(felt I better tag this as sarcasm, lest people think I really meant this.)
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Old 10-01-2015, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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no wayy off!!!--- if PP used fed dollars - Medicaid- for illegal abortions and requested payments for them or submitted a bogus claim to get paid for them--it s called MEDICAID FRAUD --
there is NO mention of that by anybody--and we have people trained to seek that out-- it's a witch hunt with no basis or merit
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Old 10-01-2015, 08:38 AM
 
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This is the same technique used to get shed of Acorn. First the video used to create a storm and cast doubt, then the congressional hearings where the opponents can make any accusation they care to.

When the dust settled and Acorn was no more, the opponents got 2 rewards. It also used Acorn voter registration to churn up voter fraud.

I have registered voters for years. Set up a table at the local grocery store, etc. Have cards for folks to fill out. At the training, by the county voter registrar, we were told to turn in all cards. It was not up to me to filter anything. If somebody put down Mickey Mouse, it was up to the county to decide if it was bogus. Not me. That is the exact same thing Acorn did.

Three years later, when the maker of the video lost all the lawsuit, was that all over the news?

Same thing is gonna happen to PP. They should have seen it coming. IMO, the director is not earning her pay. PP brought this round on themselves.
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Old 10-01-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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This is the same technique used to get shed of Acorn. First the video used to create a storm and cast doubt, then the congressional hearings where the opponents can make any accusation they care to.

When the dust settled and Acorn was no more, the opponents got 2 rewards. It also used Acorn voter registration to churn up voter fraud.

I have registered voters for years. Set up a table at the local grocery store, etc. Have cards for folks to fill out. At the training, by the county voter registrar, we were told to turn in all cards. It was not up to me to filter anything. If somebody put down Mickey Mouse, it was up to the county to decide if it was bogus. Not me. That is the exact same thing Acorn did.

Three years later, when the maker of the video lost all the lawsuit, was that all over the news?

Same thing is gonna happen to PP. They should have seen it coming. IMO, the director is not earning her pay. PP brought this round on themselves.
Acorn wasn't prepared for the smear campaign orchestrated by the right. PP is a different story. They've been in the conservatives' crosshairs for years. They won't lay down without a fight, and the left has their back on this. I think PP is going to come out of this intact.
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Old 10-01-2015, 08:59 AM
 
Location: North America
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Let's step back for a moment and realize there has been NO formal investigation by Congress as to these secret videos by Planned Parenthood. Just shear innuendo by right wingers in Congress ! Aren't they supposed to investigate these accusations before hand and then decide if they should de-fund Planned Parenthood?

Yes, if Congress was hionestly pursuing legitimate charges. But considering the witch hunt going on in Congress now, facts are the last thing considered. The videos they are foaming about are heavily doctored by the group that released them. Congress has wanted to defund PP for a long time, and they feel they have their chance. The "evidence" in these videos is fabricated.

Kudos to Cecile Richards for standing her ground in the face of this outrage.
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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It's rare for Medicaid to pay for an abortion, it is usually only when carrying the child endangers the life of the mother. Less than 5% of the government funding is spent on abortion. The majority Is spent on health screenings. The videos were obviously edited to make PP look guilty.
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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This is the same technique used to get shed of Acorn. First the video used to create a storm and cast doubt, then the congressional hearings where the opponents can make any accusation they care to.

When the dust settled and Acorn was no more, the opponents got 2 rewards. It also used Acorn voter registration to churn up voter fraud.

I have registered voters for years. Set up a table at the local grocery store, etc. Have cards for folks to fill out. At the training, by the county voter registrar, we were told to turn in all cards. It was not up to me to filter anything. If somebody put down Mickey Mouse, it was up to the county to decide if it was bogus. Not me. That is the exact same thing Acorn did.

Three years later, when the maker of the video lost all the lawsuit, was that all over the news?

Same thing is gonna happen to PP. They should have seen it coming. IMO, the director is not earning her pay. PP brought this round on themselves.

how many were found to be fraudulent in the end? Regardless has nothing to do with PP- unless you trying to make the witch hunters look credible somehow??
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:44 AM
 
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how many were found to be fraudulent in the end? Regardless has nothing to do with PP- unless you trying to make the witch hunters look credible somehow??
I do not know how many Acorn employees sued the makers of the tapes. I do know that the Giles and O'Keefe paid over $150,000 restitution to a California employee. Giles grandmother lives in the area and gets some local blog attention as she is a member of the Ft. Bend County Belles of Heaven Republican Woman's Club.

I understand that Acorn got hit in the face with a pie.

I also know that a very organized, obsessed bunch of folks have been after PP for 50 years. DD had a spine condition that had to be x-rayed every 6 months for a couple of years when she was a teenager. Her dad took her to the dr. as it was very close to his work. Even way back then the picketers were out. As she got out of the car she would grab her dad and beg, "oh Daddy, don't make me do this".

These folks are obsessed with abortion. They don't give a damn about women or children and their situations.

Planned Parenthood should have been ready for this the first time a doctor was killed. Acorn was just a second warning, a leason that should have been learned. It won't end until PP is gone because these folks will never give up until Roe V Wade is reversed.
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Old 10-01-2015, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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If videos are showing up on youtube, that alone would make me feel suspect.
This is why I say a commission should look into this matter, hire the best videographer in the country, and let that specialist verify if the videos ate in fact accurate, or have been altered.
My honest feeling is they are malicious in an effort to stop funding of planned parenthood, because they perform abortions.

Do I think planned parenthood should be funded?
Not until a commission has handed down a ruling.
Investigations by parties involved serves no purpose.
It needs the input from an unbiased group, sworn to uphold the law.

The buzz word here being, "unbiased".

Bob.
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Old 10-01-2015, 10:25 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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There have already been investigations by the states as far as criminal activity, what are you investigating.

Also the Budget Office has prepared a study on the impact of budget cuts on PP.


How about that?

This guy with a hidden camera and a few pointers from people in the know nails them right out of the gate!

I guess the states weren`t convincing as baby organ wholesalers or they would have cut a deal too.
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