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I had much the same experiences growing up, and am amazed at the 'zero tolerance' policies that have been instituted; and how they just do not seem to be working out as planned...
like you, and forgive me if I am putting words into your mouth, I believe it to be primarily a problem of the social values and mores not being instilled into our society's members for the last 'x many' years - the constant blame someone else and entitlement mentalities certain folks seem to exhibit on the regular...
In my days, if we looked cross-eyed at the bus driver, we would walk home. They did not care if it was ten miles - out you went. Of course today we would fire the bus and there would be an article about the 'incident' on national news. Perhaps this was just what we latter called 'tough love'? It taught responsibility.
I had a principal that, if he caught two of us fighting, would slap 20 oz. (very heavy) boxing gloves on the offenders and put them in the ring. They usually slugged it out until both were exhausted and later became best friends. Today we call the police and there is a record following the kids for years + they still hate each other. I guess that you could also say that the 'record' teaches responsibility; but it also brands the kid as a looser. Some kids will never rise above our expectations. I think I liked our old system better.
In my days, if we looked cross-eyed at the bus driver, we would walk home. They did not care if it was ten miles - out you went. Of course today we would fire the bus and there would be an article about the 'incident' on national news. Perhaps this was just what we latter called 'tough love'? It taught responsibility.
I had a principal that, if he caught two of us fighting, would slap 20 oz. (very heavy) boxing gloves on the offenders and put them in the ring. They usually slugged it out until both were exhausted and later became best friends. Today we call the police and there is a record following the kids for years + they still hate each other. I guess that you could also say that the 'record' teaches responsibility; but it also brands the kid as a looser. Some kids will never rise above our expectations. I think I liked our old system better.
I agree. The system had it's flaws back then but I too think it was better.
Private schools can up their tuition to provide guards. As for public schools, let's see:
2 armed guards per school. That's 200,000 jobs for retired military and off duty police officers. Let's say they make $35,000 per year, since they'll only be working 9 months out of the year. Not much training involved, since they've already had it. Perhaps when our children's safety is on the line our government can figure out how to budget the cost.
There was an armed guard at Columbine. Little good that did.
Why is there armed guards to protect everything else but not our children? Why do you want them to be unprotected?
Should we then have armed guards at children's playgrounds, day cares, 4-H clubs, athletic events, theaters, malls, bowling allies, public swimming pools, Sunday school, etc.....???
There was an armed guard at Columbine. Little good that did.
You know that all of our Social Security buildings have armed guards since 9/11. Of course they are not the only government buildings. Of course our seniors can get pretty feisty! But I always thought that it would be better to protect our young instead of a bunch of old geezers. Besides many of us carry lethal canes!
Many times the shootings are over by the time anybody can react. The only people that can change the course of events are the victims themselves.
Should we then have armed guards at children's playgrounds, day cares, 4-H clubs, athletic events, theaters, malls, bowling allies, public swimming pools, Sunday school, etc.....???
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Originally Posted by fisheye
You know that all of our Social Security buildings have armed guards since 9/11. Of course they are not the only government buildings. Of course our seniors can get pretty feisty! But I always thought that it would be better to protect our young instead of a bunch of old geezers. Besides many of us carry lethal canes!
Many times the shootings are over by the time anybody can react. The only people that can change the course of events are the victims themselves.
And let's remember that the Fort Hood shooting involved a single perpetrator who killed 13 and wounded 29 on a U.S. military base where there was surely no shortage of either guns or trained users. Columbine had armed law enforcement on call; Virginia had an armed security service. Two armed Samaritans were present when Congresswoman Giffords was shot; one mistook the other for the shooter and almost added another innocent to the toll.
People may believe they have a gun for protection, and in a nation of over 300 million there will be thousands of stories of heroism, but the data are clear: Their decision to "protect themselves" by keeping a gun is a decision to endanger themselves and everyone else in their household, and it's a decision they make unilaterally for everyone else around them, innocent people endangered by their decision.
Should we then have armed guards at children's playgrounds, day cares, 4-H clubs, athletic events, theaters, malls, bowling allies, public swimming pools, Sunday school, etc.....???
Maybe not from 4H and the rest...
However, obama disagress with you:
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The Obama administration is considering funding many more police officers in public schools to secure campuses, a leading Democratic senator said, part of a broad gun violence agenda that is likely to include a ban on high-capacity ammunition clips and universal background checks.
And let's remember that the Fort Hood shooting involved a single perpetrator who killed 13 and wounded 29 on a U.S. military base where there was surely no shortage of either guns or trained users. Columbine had armed law enforcement on call; Virginia had an armed security service. Two armed Samaritans were present when Congresswoman Giffords was shot; one mistook the other for the shooter and almost added another innocent to the toll.
People may believe they have a gun for protection, and in a nation of over 300 million there will be thousands of stories of heroism, but the data are clear: Their decision to "protect themselves" by keeping a gun is a decision to endanger themselves and everyone else in their household, and it's a decision they make unilaterally for everyone else around them, innocent people endangered by their decision.
I have always had guns around and never shot anybody. Should I be punished because of others? They have given me peace of mind; I know that I can protect myself and my family.
It has to be terrible to cower under a desk or in a closet because you have no means to defend yourself against an attacker. Your sitting there, not making a noise, and hoping that your hiding place will be overlooked. Ten people thought they were 'safe' on this campus and they died. It did not matter how good our police were trained; because they could not get to were they were needed fast enough.
There was an armed guard at Columbine. Little good that did.
Actually, it did a lot of good. Gardner exchanged shots with Harris and Kleibold in the parking lot, distracting them from shooting at students before they ran back inside. He then exchanged fire with them through the windows, keeping them from firing at students who were still escaping. On top of that, he escorted students one by one from behind a car to a better position of safety, using his own body as a shield between them and gunfire. Just imagine how much more damage could have taken place had he not been there.
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