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View Poll Results: Should there be background check for gun purchases/ownership?
Yes 53 63.86%
No 30 36.14%
Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-05-2015, 02:17 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Originally Posted by TheWiseWino View Post
Between November 30, 1998 and January 2014 there have been;

617,970 background checks due to a felony convictions.

111,648 denials to fugitives from Justice.

107, 072 denials due to convictions for domestic violence,

90,896 due to drug addiction or use of controlled substances

51,010 for state prohibitions.

45,391 due to protective orders or domestic

24,565 due to an indictment

13,316 due to mental health

13,117 unlawful alien

5,656 denied person file

796 dishonorable discharge

59 for renounced citizenship

That's, 1,081,496 denials, how that is considered ineffective is simply beyond me. If the argument is that after these "criminals" attempts to purchase weapons from licensed dealers will get their weapons from somewhere else, where to they get them. Well, when you consider the fact that only 10% to 15% of firearms used in crimes are stolen, clearly the secondary market of gun shows, private dealers and straw purchasers comes front and center. If the "ineffective and unreasonable" requirement for all buyers purchasing weapons from gun shows or private dealers were implemented and reasonable limits on the number of guns purchased during certain time periods, the access of guns to criminals would not be stopped but one hell of a bent in the supply guns in the hands of those who should not have them.


now the real question.

with those over 1,000,000 denials to fugitives, how many were prosecuted by the feds for trying to buy a firearm?

 
Old 10-05-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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Vote & Discuss regarding the gun issue
What am I missing here? There already are background checks. Maybe some people think in order to purchase a gun there should be checks on the entire family, even the extended family. Why is it so hard for people to realize if someone wants a gun they will find a way to get one.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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Most of you cannot think is out side your own box-- you ask how a B-check how it applies to you- just like anything else- you have your beer quietly at home and cannot figure why anyone want to restrict that? Maybe just like beer -age restriction holds many back. Not all- some sneak and find a way to obtain- but how many do not want jail time and hold back. I raised 3 boys and It was NO until you old enough- to many things- I held standard of conduct - did they sneak yes- but with a certain caution. WE must put restrictions on weapons- we are an intelligent people- but as a nation, many led by FEAR. I watch the news channels and politicians and some have a boogie man complex. they always coming to get ya!
 
Old 10-06-2015, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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What am I missing here? There already are background checks. Maybe some people think in order to purchase a gun there should be checks on the entire family, even the extended family. Why is it so hard for people to realize if someone wants a gun they will find a way to get one.
  • Numbers of firearm background checks do not represent numbers of firearms sold. Federal background checks are not required, for example, in private transactions, and multiple firearms may be purchased after a single background check.
  • Some Kentucky permit holders are subject to monthly background checks.
  • North Carolina conducted checks for a large group of existing permit holders in March 2014.
we cant sell/buy a car- without DMV ? tweak it just a little make it all 21- and where is the DL /proof of age t for the below?




Under federal law – Handguns Long Guns (Rifles and Shotguns) Licensed firearms dealers Dealers may not sell or deliver a handgun or ammunition for a handgun to any person the dealer has reasonable cause to believe is under age 21.8 Dealers may not sell or deliver a long gun, or ammunition for a long gun, to any person the dealer has reasonable cause to believe is under age 18.9 Unlicensed persons Unlicensed persons may not sell, deliver or otherwise transfer a handgun or handgun ammunition to any person the transferor has reasonable cause to believe is under age 18, with certain exceptions*.10 Unlicensed persons may sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer a long gun or long gun ammunition to a person of any age.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 12:05 PM
 
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now the real question.

with those over 1,000,000 denials to fugitives, how many were prosecuted by the feds for trying to buy a firearm?
An exceedingly tiny percentage, but then again when the ATF has a measly 5,000 employees only have of which are charged with enforcement, what does one expect.

Do really need to discuss what lobbying group insures the limited budget, staffing and effectiveness of the Bureau?

How the NRA Hobbled the ATF | Mother Jones

Current gun debate may not help beleaguered ATF | Center for Public Integrity

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/us...rime.html?_r=0
 
Old 10-06-2015, 12:12 PM
 
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What am I missing here? There already are background checks. Maybe some people think in order to purchase a gun there should be checks on the entire family, even the extended family. Why is it so hard for people to realize if someone wants a gun they will find a way to get one.
Gee, I never thought of that... I have a better idea, since we can't stop the wrong people from getting guns why don't just not even try? What do ya say?
 
Old 10-06-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Private sales do not go through background checks.
They do in CA.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 12:18 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Gee, I never thought of that... I have a better idea, since we can't stop the wrong people from getting guns why don't just not even try? What do ya say?
How about punish people with illegal guns instead of punishing everyone?
 
Old 10-06-2015, 04:16 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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An exceedingly tiny percentage, but then again when the ATF has a measly 5,000 employees only have of which are charged with enforcement, what does one expect.

Do really need to discuss what lobbying group insures the limited budget, staffing and effectiveness of the Bureau?

How the NRA Hobbled the ATF | Mother Jones

Current gun debate may not help beleaguered ATF | Center for Public Integrity

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/26/us...rime.html?_r=0


what knowledge are you talking about?

the DOJ is responsible for the prosecutions, not f-troop.
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