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Old 10-06-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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Do you have any statistics on how many people are killed each year from pressure cookers and fireworks? I'm guessing it's something less than 10.
I live in Connecticut so you have no idea how the shooting at Sandy Hook impacted my life ..... we will leave it at that.

I guess I'm just weary of solutions that will never work. You know Adam Lanza used his mother's weapons? Perhaps we should prevent mothers from owning firearms. See how silly I sound?

The only solution would be mandatory mental health testing at, lets say, 16 years of age. Those who are deemed a threat to society would be institutionalized.

I'm not sure anyone is on board for that.

 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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I might agree that more "common sense" gun laws might thwart some lunatics bent on massacre. But then we will have to do something about pressure cookers and fireworks. Boston had an issue with those items.

Perhaps we need to re-think the whole issue of involuntary commitment of those with mental health issues........................ Its a whole lot more complicated than gun control, with consequences I'm not sure you would be comfortable with.
LOL …

"Involuntary commitment of those with mental health issues" would mean the locked psych unit for around 30,000,000 Americans at any given time …

However, "mental health issues" are common in every society and nation … But it is only in America that they combine in such deadly fashion with easy ready virtually unrestricted access to guns guns guns and MORE guns and ammo …

Hmmm … Is there a pattern .. ???.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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I live in Connecticut so you have no idea how the shooting at Sandy Hook impacted my life ..... we will leave it at that.

I guess I'm just weary of solutions that will never work. You know Adam Lanza used his mother's weapons? Perhaps we should prevent mothers from owning firearms. See how silly I sound?

The only solution would be mandatory mental health testing at, lets say, 16 years of age. Those who are deemed a threat to society would be institutionalized.

I'm not sure anyone is on board for that.
Problem is, for the vast majority of persons, "mental health" is a dynamic thing that changes over time … Being mostly healthy or slightly crazy at age sixteen doesn't very well predict dangerousness at 21 or 30 …
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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LOL …

"Involuntary commitment of those with mental health issues" would mean the locked psych unit for around 30,000,000 Americans at any given time …

However, "mental health issues" are common in every society and nation … But it is only in America that they combine in such deadly fashion with easy ready virtually unrestricted access to guns guns guns and MORE guns and ammo …

Hmmm … Is there a pattern .. ???.
The only two charts that tell the true unaltered picture.





Everything beyond this is just noise and excuses.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Minnesota
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Infamously, "facts" are stubborn things ...
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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A good start:

(1) Mandatory mental health status exam when would-be gun owner applies to buy …

(2) Mandatory ninety day waiting period before transfer of ownership is made …

(3) Another mandatory mental health status exam at time of transfer …

(4) NO private unregulated transfer of gun possession, including within a family …

(5) NO gun ownership/possession without significant safety training

(6) ALL guns kept in a gun safe, unloaded and trigger locked; ammo stored separately under lock and key …

(7) NO private ownership of guns with larger than maximum five to six round capacity magazine

I am not "anti-gun," BTW …
I am a gun owner; former hunter; former NRA member …
Member of a law enforcement family …

(In addition, REQUIRE that The CDC collect, track and report all statistics and information on gun violence in The USA … As of today, the Gun Nut lobby still has Congress FORBIDDING The CDC collecting such data … Why is that … ???)

So you want people to pass a mental health exam in order to exercise their right. Not sure that's a good idea.

And would a 90 day waiting period solve?

Private family inheritance isn't our problem. Leave it alone.

"(6) ALL guns kept in a gun safe, unloaded and trigger locked; ammo stored separately under lock and key …"

There might be some merit to that as far a child safety goes, but it creates 2 problems: First, a gun is no good for self/home defense if it's locked up and separated from the ammo. Second, there is no way to enforce this.

Magazine capacity is a non issue. Mass murderers reload all the time. It's no big deal reloading 2 more times because magazines are smaller. You're trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

I would, however, support mandatory gun safety training. Although the lack of such training doesn't really play into mass murders, does it? In a sane world we would be teaching proper firearms handling, use and safety in our schools. Remove the mystery, fascination and the ignorance. We teach sex safety... why not gun safety?
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Rural Central Texas
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For real?? You sound like an Onion article!

But thank you for saying what millions of people already think that you are thinking. You just have the balls to say it!

I wish people would man-up and just admit this. And stop scapegoating via mental illness, liberals, the way you (usually wrongly) interpret the second commendment, mass media, "freedom and liberty" as if guns are the only thing those concepts are relevant to, etc.

You position is more respectable because it's honest.

It's sickening, but still respectable.




Seriously.

It's funny, and at the same time not funny, because it's true.
When responding to to an Onion Article, isn't it appropriate to continue in the same mindset of the article?
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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The only two charts that tell the true unaltered picture.


Everything beyond this is just noise and excuses.
I notice that with perhaps 2 or 3 exceptions (Mexico and Central America) none of those other countries have a gigantic violent gang problem. Or a huge cartel war on their border that regularly spills into their country. Or a giant drug trafficking problem. The US has all of these problems.

I also notice that none of those other countries have a massive hip-hop, kill the cops, utterly lawless, no snitch culture.

Our problem isn't guns. It's the people we have here.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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The only two charts that tell the true unaltered picture.

Everything beyond this is just noise and excuses.
Can you also provide the overall murder rates in the same set of countries? Maybe they switched to different weapons.

For example, Yemen has half the guns per 100 people and a higher murder rate.

If the formula was more guns = more murders, this wouldn't be possible.
 
Old 10-06-2015, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Also, when talking about "common sense" gun laws, has anyone noticed that no one is looking at ways to remove ineffective laws?

"Common sense" is a give-and-take, not a "take-and-take" approach.
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