GOP Party In-fighting Continues-House Freedom Caucus Will Not Vote For McCarthy For Speaker (Congressmen, Clinton)
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I'd be curious to know what many folks think this good thing. Is it good for the short-game or long-game? Most people are disgusted with government dysfunction, but did we add fuel to the fire by putting in place obstructionists that are creating more dysfunction…and is this short-term dysfunction or is that how's it's going to be for the long-term.
I just don't see this getting better until we have a government that can compromise and work together. As a student of Sociology, I wonder if our willful push for individualism and contrarianism has doomed our ability to work together. If you think about the attitudes we hold and the statistics of our society, it makes sense that we can't compromise. Look no further than the divorce rate, how strangers are suspicious of others and reluctant to help someone in need, distrust of authority & media, the stubborn belief that I know what's best for me (in most situations), the callousness of social media, etc. Was Friedrich Nietzsche right?
Stop blaming the government for not working together. It's entirely due to Republicans that there is so much dysfunction in Washington. You don't govern on ideological purity, which is what Republicans are demanding. It's why they kicked out one of their leaders, forced another to retire, and blocked a third from getting promoted.
This whole argument about how both sides need to work together is red herring to cover up the fact that Republicans are the source of the historic obstructionism that Obama has had to deal with.
You'd have to be conservative to do that. Try again though.
The GOP should stop being conservative (right wing) and become center to center-right. American politics is based in the center of the political spectrum, this is why the Democrats keep winning at the national level ... not because they are centrist but because they are closest to centrist. The party needs to make peace with a number of issues: gay marriage, abortion, marijuana, immigration, and minorities. Social issues are no longer the big concern like back in the 1980s-2004. The nation has changed enormously on social issues over the past decade. Things like allowing marijuana for LEGITIMATE medical purposes is now widely accepted. Gay marriage is widely accepted. It's time to change and move back to center of politics.
Refusing to vote on a bill that all 55( at the time) Democrats have said they are going to vote against anyways is showing that the Majority Leader wasnt going to waist anyone's time.
You realize that a bill needs atleast 51 votes to pass right ?
Byt he way, voting for or against a bill has nothing to do with compromising, compromising has to do with the contents of the actual bill.
The problem is bills never gets put on the floor for a vote in the Senate. Senate rules require a bill be submitted for debate first which is open ended unless a motion to bring Cloture (end debate) is called and voted on. It requires 60 votes for passage. If 41 Senators want to keep debate going the Cloture motion fails and the bill continues to be debated. Holding a bill in debate limbo and preventing passage is a form of the fillabuster. This has become the main tool for the opposition to get its way on a bill the majority wants. Since other pressing business always exists the bill either gets withdrawn, tabled or sent back to committee to be redrafted into a form acceptable to enough of the majority to be able to achieve Cloture when the next attempt to bring the bill to a vote by the whole Senate.
This had little to do with policy, more to do with his girlfriend problem. That's most of the reason why he's out. The GOP did not want to go through that nonsense; especially considering the women he is tagging is also currently "serving" in congress.
Sure I can, Do you know what the Public Option is ?
I told you to watch C Span more because it actually shows congress debating the issues on the floor, the Democrats usually give a presentation on what their plans are and you can see them be scaled back in real time.
By the way, you were the one arguing the affirmative, can you name a time Democrats got everything they wanted ?
First there was never a serious attempt at getting a public option. It was never even introduced as a bill. No compromise was ever necessary. Bad example.
Second...
"can you name a time Democrats got everything they wanted ?"
1. Obamacare
2. Iran Deal
3. Funding for Planned Parenthood
4. Auto Industry (read: Union bailout) bailout that shafted bond holders (in violation of the law)
The GOP should stop being conservative (right wing) and become center to center-right. American politics is based in the center of the political spectrum, this is why the Democrats keep winning at the national level ... not because they are centrist but because they are closest to centrist.
The leading presidential candidate for the Democrats is... a Socialist.
Republicans haven't gone 'crazy right' The GOP and RNC leadership is made up almost entirely of RINOs.
It is the Democratic Party that has shifted FAR Left. JFK would be kicked out of the Party if he were alive today.
And Democrats don't win because they're 'centrist'. They win because they provide handouts and freebies to a mostly politically and financially illiterate populace.
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This had little to do with policy, more to do with his girlfriend problem. That's most of the reason why he's out. The GOP did not want to go through that nonsense; especially considering the women he is tagging is also currently "serving" in congress.
Stop blaming the government for not working together. It's entirely due to Republicans that there is so much dysfunction in Washington. You don't govern on ideological purity, which is what Republicans are demanding. It's why they kicked out one of their leaders, forced another to retire, and blocked a third from getting promoted.
This whole argument about how both sides need to work together is red herring to cover up the fact that Republicans are the source of the historic obstructionism that Obama has had to deal with.
It's good that they obstruct the most America hating president of all time. It's their job to do so.
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