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Old 10-14-2015, 05:14 PM
 
Location: OC/LA
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Originally Posted by Serious Conversation View Post
I'm a Millenial and know very few truly liberal Millenials. Most of us are fairly conservative on economic issues and libertarian on social issues.
The question is going to be if millennials will continue to be as apathetic to voting as they have been in the past.

 
Old 10-17-2015, 01:51 PM
 
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They are not lazy or self centered. Idealistic, yes, but weren't we all at that age.
duh, plenty of people in their 50s are still way too idealistic. It's a problem in the U.S. education system. The idealism is exactly what has steered young people away from decent middle class potential. Its benefits go to those who see through such idealism and prepare themselves for the real world. Those are the people who benefited from this idealism education. You know, the people who were born on third base, who came from well to do families and backgrounds, who had connections and knew the right people. They were never completely blinded by such idealism. They had means to transcend it, plenty of opportunities to see the real world. It's often the poor, the underserved, ironically those that idealists want to help, who are shunned from such great potential to change their fate. This leaves the table vacant for those who already have more means. So the well to do become more well to do, and the poor are kept in idealism, making them more peaceful and less threatening. It increases income inequality on all fronts.
 
Old 10-17-2015, 01:55 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Once Millenials actually pay taxes, they'll feel differently.


Exactly!!! And mature.
 
Old 10-17-2015, 02:12 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Once Millenials actually pay taxes, they'll feel differently.
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I was just going to say this lol
The only things from that list we are missing are lower cost college and universal healthcare.

I dont think either is to much to ask for seeing as every other developed country in the world has one of the 2 or both.
 
Old 10-18-2015, 10:39 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The only things from that list we are missing are lower cost college and universal healthcare.

I dont think either is to much to ask for seeing as every other developed country in the world has one of the 2 or both.
That'll happen as soon as we change our tax system to one like those countries have...

You see, they ALL tax REGRESSIVELY, with the largest tax burden placed on the middle class and poor, they allow their rich to legally hide income and capital gains in foreign accounts so that it's all tax-free (no FATCA laws), AND now many are/have eliminated estate and inheritance taxes:

Estate and Inheritance Taxes around the World

Time for those who benefit the most from government services and benefits to start paying the most, à la Scandinavia and Europe.

Be sure to read the entire research-citing articles including the graphs:

Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post

How Sweden fights inequality - with regressive, not progressive taxes

We should emulate them, no? Wonder why millennials and liberals don't know any of that...
 
Old 10-18-2015, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Originally Posted by Serious Conversation View Post
I'm a Millenial and know very few truly liberal Millenials. Most of us are fairly conservative on economic issues and libertarian on social issues.
I am too but most of the conservatism isn't religious conservatism, it is much more Paul Ryan fiscal conservatism or Rand Paul libertarian conservatism rather than the traditional conservatism we think of. This is part of the reason Paul has won the CPAC straw polls the last two times.

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I've been seeing that for years on the college campuses while giving lectures and presentations. I took it as a sign of maturity and acceptance of responsibility.
Yes but they are much more libertarian than the garden variety conservatives. Gays don't bother them for instance like religious conservatives.

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The question is going to be if millennials will continue to be as apathetic to voting as they have been in the past.
The younger generation is traditionally apathetic regardless if it is silents, boomers, x-ers or millennials. Boomers were a bit different early on due to the politics of the Vietnam War and the draft.
 
Old 10-18-2015, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The only things from that list we are missing are lower cost college and universal healthcare.

I dont think either is to much to ask for seeing as every other developed country in the world has one of the 2 or both.
Americans can have it if they pay for it. The only problem is that they want it but do not want to pay for it.

Look no further than Vermont's decision to shelf their universal health insurance.
 
Old 10-18-2015, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Americans can have it if they pay for it. The only problem is that they want it but do not want to pay for it.

Look no further than Vermont's decision to shelf their universal health insurance.
The problem is Americans hate taxes but the ugly truth is they need them for their wanted programs. Social security, you need tax collection. Medicare, you need tax collection, Veterans affairs, you need taxes, etc. The problem is Americans complain about paying too much no matter what part of the socio-economic ladder they are on.
 
Old 10-18-2015, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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That'll happen as soon as we change our tax system to one like those countries have...

You see, they ALL tax REGRESSIVELY, with the largest tax burden placed on the middle class and poor, they allow their rich to legally hide income and capital gains in foreign accounts so that it's all tax-free (no FATCA laws), AND now many are/have eliminated estate and inheritance taxes:

Estate and Inheritance Taxes around the World

Time for those who benefit the most from government services and benefits to start paying the most, à la Scandinavia and Europe.

Be sure to read the entire research-citing articles including the graphs:

Other countries don’t have a “47%” - The Washington Post

How Sweden fights inequality - with regressive, not progressive taxes

We should emulate them, no? Wonder why millennials and liberals don't know any of that...
Finally you are willing to admit that the Swedes and other Euro-zone nations are not regressive like you claimed they were in that other thread from about a week ago... there's some hope for you.
 
Old 10-18-2015, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Millennials: What they want from the candidates - CNN.com

Why can't right-wingers understand that their days are over, millenials will take over decades and want to become like those Nordic/Western European, Australian/New Zealand labor and government type system where the government provides life/social saferty net and security, free/very low cost education at all levels, mandatory paid days off from work, universal healthcare, and free from debt! Invest the money on our people, not foreigners and nonsense spending on military, wars, etc.! Millenials are sick and tired of having huge student loan debts while some may not find jobs because it's crappy low wages with some even no benefits, high cost of living, competition and expensive homes/rents, expensive daycares, etc. making life for non-rich people difficult. We pay already high taxes but barely get anything back from them unlike in Europe!!!! Capitalism will eventually die out hopefully...

Cut foreign & military aid, invest on us!!
But Americans don't want to pay for it so your comparison countries are not correct.
Look at Venezuela, Cuba, China for the type of "safety net" you'll get.
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