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Old 10-10-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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AMERICANS Once Knew - - -

AMERICANS Once Knew that they were unique among all other nations on Earth. Only they had a republican form of government - one in which the government was instituted to secure their endowed rights - not rule them nor govern them - unless they consented.

AMERICANS once knew that they had natural rights, among which were the right to life, to absolutely own, and to defend person, liberty and property. They once knew that they had natural and personal liberty - and all the related rights, powers, privileges and immunities that came with that status. They were a sovereign people, needing no permission of any man nor government.

ALL that changed, when the constitutional government went bankrupt in 1933, and declared a State of Emergency.

The sitting government stole all the lawful money and replaced it with worthless IOUs. It criminalized the possession of gold by “free” Americans. It tricked millions into surrendering their birthright via FICA / Social Security, reducing their status at law to that of pauper (recipient of public charity). In a short span of time, it successfully ended absolute ownership of private property (the linchpin of the Communist Manifesto), imposed covert control over all labor and industry, via taxation and regulation, where it could not overtly nationalize. And the government excused itself by writing the law so that it was all “voluntary” and done with “our consent.”

Of course, using fraud, constructive fraud, withholding of material fact and deceit are not legitimate grounds, but as long as “we” stay mute, “they” keep shearing us, over and over, demanding our gratitude that “they” let us regrow our skin before skinning us again.

The irony is that it was not the first time servant government tricked the American people into waiving their birthright. The generation of the 1820s was tricked into consenting to be citizens, and thus became subjects of the sovereign government. They ceased to be sovereign Americans served by government. And shortly thereafter, the partisan political parties rose in power, wealth and status. The last half of the 19th century was marked by the European invasion of the “Progressives.” These collectivists infiltrated our institutions, and gradually took over our infrastructure, our professions, and almost all aspects of life. Suddenly, one needed government permission (license) to operate a business, to enter occupations, to build a house, to marry, and so on.

Will Americans ever remember about that which their forefathers fought and died?

The current generation of indoctrinated “Takers” has no concept of the enslavement they espouse, thinking that compulsory charity and expropriation of property is superior to liberty, freedom, and sovereignty. They are ignorant members of a “Wolf pack,” preying on whomever they may.

It is a pity.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/38898557-post173.html
The "Progressive Era" in the United States was begun with Theodore Roosevelt, a progressive Republican (perhaps the first RINO). Progressivism was imported from Germany, through the university system (Johns Hopkins).

Progressives rejected the idea of "natural" rights, and virtually every bit of that part of the Declaration of Independence. In fact, Woodrow Wilson said we should ignore the entire first section of that document.

The "Progressive Movement" in America gave birth to the "Administrative State," where so-called "experts" were given power to make rules and regulations (legislate) apart from Congress, which has the only legitimate authority under the Constitution. "Progress," they said, dictated that the Constitution was outdated, and that government under the Constitution, as the framers had established it, was unable to deal with the problems of a modern age (at least that was the theory).

Progressives realized that there was nothing like war to get people to give the government extraordinary powers, and they exploited war to the max for the purpose of expanding government.

Most people today have no idea what the concept of American Exceptionalism meant, and where it came from, because American History is no longer taught, but only brief mention of our founding and roots, and because education is controlled by the State, young people are indoctrinated with modern "liberal" propaganda about the founders and framers. One must take research and study upon themselves to learn the truth. Most will never bother.
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Old 10-10-2015, 06:45 AM
 
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A republican form is NOT synonymous with a republic, nor a "constitutional republic."

But the link explained RFOG in depth.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/38898557-post173.html



Post 1933, and the end of constitutional American government, "Ugly" is appropriate. "Sad" is appropriate, too.

The "purpose" is to remind people that there is a reason why America is unique.
That most do know know it, shows how much was eradicated by the world's greatest propaganda ministry.

I wrote to 30 embassies, in 1989, asking two questions: is your government a republican form, and do you know of any nation with a republican form (other than the USA)?
Their answers were : no, and no.

You may have heard the old adage that America's form of government is not perfect, but it is the best there is.
Why haven't any other nations adopted it?
There were many countries that revolted or were liberated after 1776, yet not one adopted the republican form.

Reason : They cannot.

No government nor people, since 1776, declared that the INDIVIDUAL was endowed with rights from his CREATOR - not from government. Any government instituted to help secure rights was a servant, not a master.

In every other country on earth, regardless of its form of government (monarchy, democracy, oligarchy, etc), the people are subjects of the sovereign government.

ONLY IN AMERICA ARE THE PEOPLE SOVEREIGN OVER THE GOVERNMENT.
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Old 10-10-2015, 06:49 AM
 
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"Americans once knew they were unique...." What does that even mean? Not "Great"? Just "Unique"?? Unique in what way? We eat hot dogs and we watch football; I guess that's unique.

When I saw the title I thought this is some kind of badly worded pro-gay thread.
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American Exceptionalism has a specific meaning. I suggest you study American History to find out what the OP is talking about. Clearly, you have no clue.

Neither does our President (Obama) have any idea what "American Exceptionalism" means, as revealed by his inane comments, "I think people in (named some countries) think they are exceptional too." Thus proving his ignorance of American History.

But, of course, Obama was not raised as an American. He did not have the "American experience." He spent most of his formative years in Kenya, a Muslim country, attending a private Muslim school, where he was enrolled as a Muslim student. His world view is not that of an American, but as a Muslim. That is why he criticizes and ridicules America and Americans. He is not one of us.
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:41 AM
 
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There is no such thing as a "sovereign citizen."
It's an oxymoron.
A citizen is a subject of a sovereign, and cannot be sovereign.

American law states that the American people are sovereign - unless they consent otherwise.
Citizens are compelled to perform mandatory civic duties, that would be unconstitutional without their consent to be citizens.

This has been part of the law since 1777.

. . .
“ It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

>> No inalienable (endowed) right to life <<
>> No liberty nor private property <<
>> BECAUSE citizens are consenting subjects! <<
= = He who consents cannot complain - SHUT UP, sit down, and obey. = =
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Old 10-10-2015, 07:50 AM
 
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The "Progressive Era" in the United States was begun with Theodore Roosevelt, a progressive Republican (perhaps the first RINO). Progressivism was imported from Germany, through the university system (Johns Hopkins).

Progressives rejected the idea of "natural" rights, and virtually every bit of that part of the Declaration of Independence. In fact, Woodrow Wilson said we should ignore the entire first section of that document. [Citation please?]

The "Progressive Movement" in America gave birth to the "Administrative State," where so-called "experts" were given power to make rules and regulations (legislate) apart from Congress, which has the only legitimate authority under the Constitution. "Progress," they said, dictated that the Constitution was outdated, and that government under the Constitution, as the framers had established it, was unable to deal with the problems of a modern age (at least that was the theory).

Progressives realized that there was nothing like war to get people to give the government extraordinary powers, and they exploited war to the max for the purpose of expanding government.
[The "Great War" was used to impose draconian unAmerican laws]

Most people today have no idea what the concept of American Exceptionalism meant, and where it came from, because American History is no longer taught, but only brief mention of our founding and roots, and because education is controlled by the State, young people are indoctrinated with modern "liberal" propaganda about the founders and framers. One must take research and study upon themselves to learn the truth. Most will never bother.
Progressives are diametrically opposed to endowed rights outside of the power of the State to grant or deny.
Which also means they are opposed to the republican form of government, promised to all Americans.

On Democracy Versus Liberty | Cato Institute
Most people, including most Americans, would be surprised to learn that the word “democracy” does not appear in the Declaration of Independence (1776) or the Constitution of the United States of America (1789). They would also be shocked to learn the reason for the absence of the word democracy in the founding documents of the U.S.A. Contrary to what propaganda has led the public to believe, America’s Founding Fathers were skeptical and anxious about democracy. They were aware of the evils that accompany a tyranny of the majority. The Framers of the Constitution went to great lengths to ensure that the federal government was not based on the will of the majority and was not, therefore, democratic.
We're suffering from a recipient majority outvoting a donor minority, with all manner of corruption that entails.

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Old 10-10-2015, 01:14 PM
 
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American Exceptionalism has a specific meaning. I suggest you study American History to find out what the OP is talking about. Clearly, you have no clue.

Neither does our President (Obama) have any idea what "American Exceptionalism" means, as revealed by his inane comments, "I think people in (named some countries) think they are exceptional too." Thus proving his ignorance of American History.

But, of course, Obama was not raised as an American. He did not have the "American experience." He spent most of his formative years in Kenya, a Muslim country, attending a private Muslim school, where he was enrolled as a Muslim student. His world view is not that of an American, but as a Muslim. That is why he criticizes and ridicules America and Americans. He is not one of us.

The OP didn't say "Exceptional", he said "Unique". If the title had been "Americans Once Knew They were Exceptional", the meaning would have been clear. He clearly choose "Unique" for a reason, you don't have to explain for him, let him do it himself.

Furthermore, the OP is clearly talking about the form of government, not exceptionalism. So you have clearly misunderstood him.

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Old 10-11-2015, 06:38 AM
 
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Progressives are diametrically opposed to endowed rights outside of the power of the State to grant or deny.
Which also means they are opposed to the republican form of government, promised to all Americans.

On Democracy Versus Liberty | Cato Institute
Most people, including most Americans, would be surprised to learn that the word “democracy” does not appear in the Declaration of Independence (1776) or the Constitution of the United States of America (1789). They would also be shocked to learn the reason for the absence of the word democracy in the founding documents of the U.S.A. Contrary to what propaganda has led the public to believe, America’s Founding Fathers were skeptical and anxious about democracy. They were aware of the evils that accompany a tyranny of the majority. The Framers of the Constitution went to great lengths to ensure that the federal government was not based on the will of the majority and was not, therefore, democratic.
We're suffering from a recipient majority outvoting a donor minority, with all manner of corruption that entails.
I notice you highlighted my mention of Woodrow Wilson, and his belief about the Declaration of Independence, and asked for a citation: My source is Hillsdale College, "Constitution 101" (or it may have been 201 I'd have to check my notes). Wilson is called the "Father of American Progressivism," but, as I noted above it was Theodore Roosevelt who was the first "Progressive" president.

Just listened to the lecture, Constitution 101, Lecture 9, "The Progressive Rejection of the Founding," Woodrow Wilson, in an address given to honor Thomas Jefferson, gave this admonition, "If you want to understand the real Declaration of Independence, do not repeat the preface." The lecturer (Ronald J. Pestritto) tells us that Wilson gave this admonition on more than one occasion. He said this, because the "Progressives" adamantly rejected the idea of natural rights.

Natural rights are in direct conflict with the "Progressives" view of government, and this they knew full well. They didn't try to hide that fact.

Frank Goodnow, in a speech given at Brown University " ...man is regarded now throughout Europe, contrary to the view expressed by Rousseau, as primarily a member of society and secondarily as an individual. The rights which he possesses are, it is believed, conferred upon him, not by his Creator, but rather by the society to which he belongs. What they are is to be determined by the legislative authority in view of the needs of that society. Social expediency, rather than natural right, is thus to determine the sphere of individual freedom of action."

Thus, the "Progressives" reject the idea of Natural Rights mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

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Old 10-11-2015, 08:00 AM
 
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Good post Jet.

America is no longer a great nation, or looked up to in the world because we have become diluted with hyphenated people who's loyalties do not lie with America, but at "home." They take our jobs and send our money "home." Some foreigners work and contribute and earn their social security and they take their checks and return "home," to retire. They didn't come here to build, only to use, only to take.

Sadly we have allowed ourselves to be governed by the ignorant and tyrants, and the vast majority of the population is frankly to stupid to realize it. We opened our arms to the world and we have been robbed of our heritage and our future.

Our government since WWII has failed us at every turn as a result of poor leadership. We haven't had a "real" leader since John Kennedy. Our military hasn't won a war since 1945. Panama and Grenada don't count. Sure we could take over countries, but we seem to have no conception of how to make permanent change like we did in Japan and Germany.

Well America is MY home. My ancestors discovered it, conquered it, carved it from wilderness, died for it, and now it is MINE. I own it, well parts of it. I have a Constitution that was supposed to protect me and my lands and my country, but which is constantly under attack by corrupt, criminal forces in government. My Constitution was not written to protect the government.

Those who would seek our demise should remember, Americans have no place else to go.
At least one of my ancestors played an important role in America's founding, and held the Bible for George Washington's inauguration.
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Old 10-13-2015, 03:44 AM
 
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RETROGRADE JUBILEE
==\=\=\=\==
● What we are now:
● [] Subjects
● [] Victims
● [] Bankrupt
● [] Paupers
● [] Mercenaries for the usurers

● Plagued by
● [] Collectivists
● [] Predators
● [] Parasites
● [] Plunderers

● What we want to return to:
● [] Prosperity
● [] Sovereigns without subjects
● [] Republican form of government
● [] Endowed rights, powers, liberties and privileges
● [] With enmity to no other nation or people

● Where we need to go:
● [] More abundant life
● [] Thicken planetary habitat
● [] Increase efficiency, doing more with less
● [] Space colonization

==\=\=\=\==
JUBILEE - a less common word for jubilation.
JUBILATION - a feeling of or the expression of joy or exultation.
RETROGRADE - Opposite to the usual order; reversed.

The exultation of reverting to the republican form of government, the real “American Way.”

=\=\=\=\=\=
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