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The argument seems to run that restricting guns would end the madness. The only problem is that there are too many guns in circulation to make this remedy effectual. In short, it is a "feel good" remedy. The problem dates back to the early 1970's when a fetish developed about releasing mental patients. An example is this December 1973 New York Times article,SEMINAR STUDIES PATIENTS' RIGHTS; Psychiatrists Disagree' Mental-Case Court Rulings Interest Lawyers Here discussed that "(r)Recent court rulings in several states have greatly broadened the rights of patients in mental institutions and sharply restricted the ability of state governments to commit people to mental hospitals...."
One even went as far as to say that certain treatment "could, in part, violate his (the patient's) First Amendment 'freedom to generate ideas'." The ACLU took the position that "(t)he mentally ill are entitled to the same constitutional rights and protections as criminals and other citizens…." In a later article,Where Can Mental Patients Go?; Controversy on Halfway Houses the position of the ACLU was further amplified. It was explained that according t the ACLU "once a patient is released, . he or she cannot be forced to live anyplace, take any medication or accept supervision against his or her will."
Notwithstanding the "freedom to generate ideas" the rights of ordinary people to go about their business safely are severely impacted by the freedom of severely mentally ill people to refuse confinement and even treatment. This must be addressed rather than embarking on a quixotic effort to restrict the rivers of guns flowing through the nation.
I don't think that liberals have a problem with the mentally ill having the "freedom to live up to their potential" as killers. They only have a problem with law-abiding conservative gun-owners having the power to suppress a socialistic tyrant or defend themseves from the "victims of social injustice who have to resort to crime in order to survive the oppression of capitalism."
I don't think that liberals have a problem with the mentally ill having the "freedom to live up to their potential" as killers. They only have a problem with law-abiding conservative gun-owners having the power to suppress a socialistic tyrant or defend themseves from the "victims of social injustice who have to resort to crime in order to survive the oppression of capitalism."
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As far as institutionalization don't you think crazy people should have the full "freedom to generate (and execute, literally, upon) ideas."
I don't think that liberals have a problem with the mentally ill having the "freedom to live up to their potential" as killers. They only have a problem with law-abiding conservative gun-owners having the power to suppress a socialistic tyrant or defend themseves from the "victims of social injustice who have to resort to crime in order to survive the oppression of capitalism."
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Define who you consider "mentally ill". Mentally ill defines people who have issues with their brain...such as parkinsons, alzheimer's and other disorders having to do with the brain.
Define who you consider "mentally ill". Mentally ill defines people who have issues with their brain...such as parkinsons, alzheimer's and other disorders having to do with the brain.
an excellent question!! the problem is what is a mental illness, and at what level of illness do we decide that someone is a danger to themselves or others? and how do we determine if someone is truly mentally ill without violating their rights, their freedoms, or their privacy? and how do we take away some of their rights without due process?
an excellent question!! the problem is what is a mental illness, and at what level of illness do we decide that someone is a danger to themselves or others? and how do we determine if someone is truly mentally ill without violating their rights, their freedoms, or their privacy? and how do we take away some of their rights without due process?
Define who you consider "mentally ill". Mentally ill defines people who have issues with their brain...such as parkinsons, alzheimer's and other disorders having to do with the brain.
How were they defined in the cases mentioned by the OP? I can't access the articles, but I doubt they were referring to parkinsons and such. I'd define it for this thread as people who have aggressive, strongly anti-social, volent, hateful types of behaviors. I would have referred to them as "crazies", but that wouldn't be politically correct.
How were they defined in the cases mentioned by the OP? I can't access the articles, but I doubt they were referring to parkinsons and such. I'd define it for this thread as people who have aggressive, strongly anti-social, volent, hateful types of behaviors. I would have referred to them as "crazies", but that wouldn't be politically correct.
But parkinsons is a mental illness. And you wonder why some are so hesitant to seek help.....you call them crazies
How were they defined in the cases mentioned by the OP? I can't access the articles, but I doubt they were referring to parkinsons and such. I'd define it for this thread as people who have aggressive, strongly anti-social, volent, hateful types of behaviors. I would have referred to them as "crazies", but that wouldn't be politically correct.
you can certainly define them that way, but then you get back to my questions;
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an excellent question!! the problem is what is a mental illness, and at what level of illness do we decide that someone is a danger to themselves or others? and how do we determine if someone is truly mentally ill without violating their rights, their freedoms, or their privacy? and how do we take away some of their rights without due process?
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