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Old 11-26-2015, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Did you not read where I said leaders from different countries including the US. Somehow you took that to say Putin lol. At the end of the day it doesn't matter that you don't care. The leaders opinion are what matter at this point.

Remember you said you don't care. Its quite obvious how you feel about Russia towards anything.
It didn't take long for you to go from having evidence, to saying someone has such opinion.

Evidence would matter, while opinions are opinions. Everyone has one.

Which leaders accuse Turkey of it given the fact that there is no evidence of it?
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Old 11-26-2015, 11:58 AM
 
Location: St Paul
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So the US/UN use Turkey as a staging point to train insurgents & funnel weapons into Syria as a way to overthrow Assad in a proxy war. Assad defends his Government and the US/UN create a no-fly zone to ensure Assad can't squash the minority led insurgents. hen the US/UN provide air cover for the insurgents against Assad's Govt forces. Then the US/UN arm/train Muslim Brotherhood & Al Queda forces to attack Assads Govt forces. Then we arm/train ISIS to attack Assad's Govt forces. Then the US/UN create a story they run in the media about Assad using chemical weapons against "his own people" (read: the insurgents). Then that story is debunked and witnesses, including the UN investigator claim it was actually the US/UN/Turkish backed insurgents who used chemical weapons, supplied by Assad's enemies the Saudis against civilians and blamed it on Assad's forces. Why? Because Assad refused to let US oil interests/Saudis/Kuwaitis run a pipeline through Syria that would have crippled Russia economically. Russia, naturally lends some air support to Assad's Govt forces.

Now this story. It's so fiull of holes it's Swiss cheese. The Russian fighters allegedly crossed into Turkey for (according to the US) a matter of seconds. I've also read it was 20 seconds in another story. The the US claims that Turkey warned the pilots no less than 10 times to exit Turkish air space. No less than 10 warning in less than 20 seconds? Really? The Russian jets were actually shot down over Syria, not Turkey & the Turkish backed insurgents shot & killed the Russian pilots as the parachuted helplessly.

Someone explain to me how Assad or the Russians are the bad guys here?
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:04 PM
 
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Which leaders accuse Turkey of it given the fact that there is no evidence of it?
You are not in the position to say there is no evidence. You are blinded by your dislike for Russia. Leaders from within Czech, Italy, France, Cyprus have spoken out about Turkey actions. Heck even

According to some experts, the decision may have been taken long before the incident and the downing of the Russian warplane may have been a premeditated act on Turkey’s part.

“This airplane was not making any maneuvers to attack the territory,” former Vice Chief of Staff of the US Air Force, Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney, told Fox News. “It was probably pressing the limits, that's fair. But you don't shoot 'em down just because of that.”

“I don’t really trust President Erdogan in what he is doing,” he added. “I think it was an overly aggressive maneuver and at NORAD [North American Aerospace Defense] command region we would not use this kind of rules of engagement. That had to be preplanned.”
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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It didn't take long for you to go from having evidence, to saying someone has such opinion.

Evidence would matter, while opinions are opinions. Everyone has one.

Which leaders accuse Turkey of it given the fact that there is no evidence of it?
You clearly have a reading problem. That post was to your post claiming you don't care what Putin say. You claimed there was no evidence. I told you what evidence existed and your opinion was it wasn't. Stick to the correct post.
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:08 PM
 
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Someone explain to me how Assad or the Russians are the bad guys here?
They aren't. Obama wants to turn Syria over to radical Islamists just as he did Libya.
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:15 PM
 
Location: honolulu
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So the US/UN use Turkey as a staging point to train insurgents & funnel weapons into Syria as a way to overthrow Assad in a proxy war. Assad defends his Government and the US/UN create a no-fly zone to ensure Assad can't squash the minority led insurgents. hen the US/UN provide air cover for the insurgents against Assad's Govt forces. Then the US/UN arm/train Muslim Brotherhood & Al Queda forces to attack Assads Govt forces. Then we arm/train ISIS to attack Assad's Govt forces. Then the US/UN create a story they run in the media about Assad using chemical weapons against "his own people" (read: the insurgents). Then that story is debunked and witnesses, including the UN investigator claim it was actually the US/UN/Turkish backed insurgents who used chemical weapons, supplied by Assad's enemies the Saudis against civilians and blamed it on Assad's forces. Why? Because Assad refused to let US oil interests/Saudis/Kuwaitis run a pipeline through Syria that would have crippled Russia economically. Russia, naturally lends some air support to Assad's Govt forces.

Now this story. It's so fiull of holes it's Swiss cheese. The Russian fighters allegedly crossed into Turkey for (according to the US) a matter of seconds. I've also read it was 20 seconds in another story. The the US claims that Turkey warned the pilots no less than 10 times to exit Turkish air space. No less than 10 warning in less than 20 seconds? Really? The Russian jets were actually shot down over Syria, not Turkey & the Turkish backed insurgents shot & killed the Russian pilots as the parachuted helplessly.

Someone explain to me how Assad or the Russians are the bad guys here?
great post!!!
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Now this story. It's so fiull of holes it's Swiss cheese. The Russian fighters allegedly crossed into Turkey for (according to the US) a matter of seconds. I've also read it was 20 seconds in another story. The the US claims that Turkey warned the pilots no less than 10 times to exit Turkish air space. No less than 10 warning in less than 20 seconds? Really?
No, no one said all warnings were issued within 20 seconds. They started issuing the warnings when the russian plane was approaching Turkish airspace (before it entered). Turkey releases audio of 'warning' to downed Russia jet - BBC News
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:21 PM
 
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They aren't. Obama wants to turn Syria over to radical Islamists just as he did Libya.
^^^ This
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Russia
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The situation is developing in a bad scenario.
1. Russia imposed an embargo on the import of Turkish products. Customs does not pass loads.
2. The Russian Foreign Ministry recommended that tourists should leave Turkey in the coming days.
3. Erdogan said that he would not apologize for the downed jet.
4. Syrian rebels (opposition) killed catapult's Russian pilot. It is a war crime. But US State Department spokesman Mark Toner said that Syrian rebels (opposition) have the right to defend themselves. Russian are furious.
5. Russia prepares S-400 and guided missile cruiser Moskva to close the Syrian sky.

What will happen next? I am afraid that there is a possibility that NATO's jet would be shot down. Then NATO forces will attack Russian military base in Syria and Russia will strike retaliatory missile strikes.
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Old 11-26-2015, 12:38 PM
 
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The situation is developing in a bad scenario.
1. Russia imposed an embargo on the import of Turkish products. Customs does not pass loads.
2. The Russian Foreign Ministry recommended that tourists should leave Turkey in the coming days.
3. Erdogan said that he would not apologize for the downed jet.
4. Syrian rebels (opposition) killed catapult's Russian pilot. It is a war crime. But US State Department spokesman Mark Toner said that Syrian rebels (opposition) have the right to defend themselves. Russian are furious.
5. Russia prepares S-400 and guided missile cruiser Moskva to close the Syrian sky.

What will happen next? I am afraid that there is a possibility that NATO's jet would be shot down. Then NATO forces will attack Russian military base in Syria and Russia will strike retaliatory missile strikes.
NATO would have a hard time attacking the base in Syria let alone in Russia. Just the S-300 and S-400 will give them problems. Also some of the members within NATO aren't that fond of Turkey and some don't even know why Turkey even shot the plane instead of escorting it if they were truly so worried about 17 seconds of border crossing.
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