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There's a political science theory stating leftism actually prospers in homogeneous populations because the folks getting the help are more like the others.
Why wouldn't it survive? It's succeeded where it's actually been tried.
What has failed are right wing economics. The only reason it sticks around is that people vote against their economic interest so long as the candidate gives them someone to hate and blame for their crappy situation.
Leftest ideology has been an abject failure in every place unfortunate enough to buy the lie, WITHOUT EXCEPTION. The only lesson leftism teaches is that those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
Of course, the American public, in vast numbers have been conditioned over the past few decades to believe up=down. No area has been more greatly affected than of public perception of what this left versus right ideological battle is really about. It can be summarized simply as the battle between authoritarianism versus self determination, or slavery versus freedom.
If it were not so sad and mortally dangerous, it would be funny to analyze the process used to convince so many to not just agree to be slaves, but to demand it, while sparing no effort or energy to guarantee its successful implementation. That is the foundation of leftest mentality. Dictate, force, comply, and relinquish individual freedom and self determination, because it is the good of the collective which is important, while the good of the individual is unimportant.
What the leftest mindset cannot seem to grasp is the fact that the only rights that a collective could ever possess are the individual rights brought to the collective by those individuals collected.
To use an analogy, replace "rights" with "dollars". Now, gather 500 individuals and form your collective. Each individual brings with him $10 (representing our bill of rights). Does the collective now possess 5000 rights or dollars? No, there are just 10, but each individual still has their 10. Now, strip away those $10 from each, for the good of the collective of course , and now what do you have? You have 500 individuals with ZERO RIGHTS OR DOLLARS. This is what leftest collectivism ALWAYS provides.
Leftest ideology is despotic authoritarianism disguised as a benefit to all, when in reality it benefits only the self anointed " authority,". In a kingdom, the king is the authority, and his subjects, the collective. All belongs to the king, with nothing belonging to the subjects. The king determines what, if anything his subjects may have or do or enjoy at the whim of the king who retains all power to deny anything, including the very life of those subjects. If the king declares "off with his head", there is no appeal, no recourse, no one to turn to, and no rights to demand, because the subjects possess no rights other than the ones the king's grace may allow. Period.
Replace the king with a congress, or a court, or a dictator, or a council, it makes little difference. The subjects or citizens possess only that which the authority might allow or deny.
This is the despotic outcome for all who are stupid enough to accept the self destructive notion that someone else knows what's best for them, and that the only way to avoid poor choices is to have no choice at all.
Why wouldn't it survive? It's succeeded where it's actually been tried.
What has failed are right wing economics. The only reason it sticks around is that people vote against their economic interest so long as the candidate gives them someone to hate and blame for their crappy situation.
Total nonsense. You're either a Capitalist or you're not. Modern Democrats are NOT. And WHY aren't they?... Because of their tireless reliance on identity politics. Identity politics don't work with actual Capitalism (what little of it we have left). And it isn't Capitalism that is failing us. It's leftist policies driven by identity politics. People in the US are poor largely because Leftist policies keep them that way.
There hasn't been an economically successful Republican administration in more than a hundred years.
And by the way, the people of both Norway and Venezuela were made better off by their versions of socialism.
Are you kidding? There is a toilet paper shortgage in Venezuela. And Norway isn't "socialist". It's a Capitalist country with some socialist values. But it doesn't implement actual socialism. And comparing tiny Norway to the US is like comparing a single apple to a truckload of mixed fruit. Not a good comparison.
There's a political science theory stating leftism actually prospers in homogeneous populations because the folks getting the help are more like the others.
Identity politics may be holding leftism back.
That's an interesting point actually... Poor Southern white conservatives were alright with Democratic rule and government assistance when they were the prime beneficiaries of government benefits and aid.
That is not the form of identity politics I was talking about. I mean things that aren't really within your control, like gender, race etc. The left is more concerned with those things than the right is, in-spite of their own claims of the other side being "racist". We don't live in the 1950's anymore. Today the word race is mostly used by disgusting progressive sjw types.
So what. It's all still identify politics. My point was that it's easy to reduce that to specifics, like race or religion, but the concept of identity politics isn't a left wing thing.
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Of course it can. It still has better fiscal and economic policy than the left does. Not that I have anything against nationalism anyway.
And the left has a better social policy. Both sides will continue to thrive and adapt to new non-issues while they bend us over.
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No, it's religious politics. And right-wing=bible lovers is a dying trope in the west anyway. A generation or two from now most people in the west won't care for religion.
The second runner up for the Republican Party, Ben Carson, is voluntarily scientifically illiterate because of the Bible. He won't identify himself as a creationist because of the moderates on the right who recognize those people as stupid, but he also says we don't know how old the Earth is so creationists can still back him up. Even if Carson is just playing the political game, it still means enough people are repulsed by things like evolution if candidates have to act like they think it's wrong. Or maybe it is wrong, which still means the religious right still holds a lot of power.
So what happens once the left can't get support through the use of identity politics anymore? At some point however long that may be, they will not be able to use the racism/gender/sexuality card, and what happens then? Can leftism in any form survive on only it's economic arguments? Or will it just become a fringe idea with few supporters?
EDIT: Ops, this was suppose to go into the poliics forum. Would be nice if this were moved there.
When was identity politics every really leftist ? Its really more like counter nationalists using the same methods. Its the difference between those who would espouse free speech vs two groups of people content to use censorship laws against each other.
There's a political science theory stating leftism actually prospers in homogeneous populations because the folks getting the help are more like the others.
Identity politics may be holding leftism back.
In other words, leftism works best when everyone is pretty much the same. A world void of individualism, where unique thoughts are suppressed.
Sounds about right.
Not a world I want to live in for sure.
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That's an interesting point actually... Poor Southern white conservatives were alright with Democratic rule and government assistance when they were the prime beneficiaries of government benefits and aid.
Poor black liberals are alright with the very programs that perpetuate their poverty. If you want to call out the past you have to include the current.
Let's also be honest. MORE white people are on welfare than all minorities combined; rendering the "conservatives want to hurt minorities" argument not only moot but ignorant. People with a brain wish to reestablish welfare and social programs with competent management and far less waste.
Having a problem with this is a display of stupidity and ignorance clamoring to remain stupid and ignorant.
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