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Based on the data (as opposed to the OP's data free emotional rantings) it would appear that if we want the steady 20 year decline in violent crime and murder to continue we should all keep buying more guns.
Yippeee!
Carry on!
The hand-wringing gun-grabbers just don't get it.
Thankfully, they're also never going to get our guns.
It is AMAZING to me that the vast majority of people on this thread refuse to even discuss or acknowledge that violent crime rates in this country are WAYYYYYYY down and have been going down for decades.
Tell that to all the innocent victims of gun violence in 'Murica and their loved ones that I read about in the news EVERY DAY over here. We'll just enjoy going about our daily lives NOT having to worry about a gun fetishist doing his thing. Who cares if rates are down, they are STILL way too high FFS!!! They just went from horrible to awful, like that matters Anything to make the gun nuts feel better right?
Tell that to all the innocent victims of gun violence in 'Murica and their loved ones that I read about in the news EVERY DAY over here. We'll just enjoy going about our daily lives NOT having to worry about a gun fetishist doing his thing. Who cares if rates are down, they are STILL way too high FFS!!! They just went from horrible to awful, like that matters Anything to make the gun nuts feel better right?
The vast majority of gun crimes in the US are not committed by, as you term them, "gun fetishists". They are committed by common criminals, gang bangers, deranged nuts and other unstable people. Ninety nine percent of people who enjoy and use firearms recreationally are never involved any any kind of gun crime.
You'll learn this once the Islamofreaks you are importing start arming themselves in your country.
On Pawn Stars they always seem to find a serial number no matter how old the gun is. It seems that most manufacturers put serial numbers on their guns for business reasons without the government requiring them to.
Pawn Stars? Isn't that a tv show like duck dynasty?
Anyway, high end gun makers did, not the Companies making the common man's guns. Millions of weapons were made for the first world war and are still out there.
How does this even have anything to do with gun control??
The only thing i could see being currently applicable to is the Republicans in congress not willing to negotiate and talk to the Democrats yet willing to shut down the government for millions to billions of dollars if they don't get their way.
Do you seriously not know by now that most of these young shooters had conservative values?!
Sooo... going by your own logic, what does this tell you about conservatives and liberals?
You are twisting the OP's suggestion. Why WOULD WE START with gangs?? Why would we not start with "everyone" or a small sampling thereof??
Please know YOUR history. we have NEVER HAD "random checks on gangs." You might be referring to the "Stop and Frisk" program that was being performed disproportionately on "black males."FYI- not all "black males" are in gangs.
Liberals just don't want more people dead. If that means that less people have as many big boy "toys" (for hunting, etc.), then that seems better than the alternative. "Gun control" is not "people control" no more that "drug control" is.
Most gang members are conservative? Really? I doubt they vote but I bet they are on welfare.
Tell that to all the innocent victims of gun violence in 'Murica and their loved ones that I read about in the news EVERY DAY over here. We'll just enjoy going about our daily lives NOT having to worry about a gun fetishist doing his thing. Who cares if rates are down, they are STILL way too high FFS!!! They just went from horrible to awful, like that matters Anything to make the gun nuts feel better right?
When you figure out how to eliminate all killings, do tell everyone.
It's interesting how some say gun violence is down, as if any number of killing reaches and "OK" level. It is just a sad reality that society is of such a violent nature and mentality that we have such things as gun violence when one is not in a active war zone.
We likely will within the next decade find a way to have a national registration campaign with some very firm mandates on gun registration, as well as some regulations on person to person sales of guns. We will get the background check that slow down the access to purchase, as well as get a better profile of who is a gun owner.
We live in society that crime is and always has been a thing in the minds of mankind, so there will be those who skirt the system. We can have means to deal with those. There has to be some means to deal with the para-military group as well, it won't be easy but it certainly can be done.
There will come a time when the designee's of 'Hate Groups", "Known Gangs and their affiliates", will have very firm regulatory measures to deal with this.
There is a segment of society which is light years ahead of other segments of society, when it comes to thinking in terms of making a better environment and a safer society.
People killing people is something people find many ways to do, but we can act against the ease of gun access to make it a more stringent process.
We do need a more educated society, we also need a more socially respectful society whom respects the civility of community and the humanity of individuals.
We have a lot of work on many areas to deal with these matters. there is likely no concept of a mass confiscation of guns. But we can certainly do all we can to rid the society of 'Assault" weapons being marketed and sold as they are currently sold.
We have issues of society and the many layers of bigotry which must be addressed in the processes we engage, we have border issues we must address, and we have the nature of organized crime and street gangs which is another form of both organized crime and terrorist conduct. We have to work on relationship, this is an areas that still has many problems, as many still live with the delusion that men own women, once they are married. We have issues where men have to learn to build his esteem as a man by being responsible, not by relying on dominating a woman or expecting a woman to validate him. He has to learn to validate himself as a man, by living the virtues and responsibilities of being a man. Not the vanity of trying to make a woman submit, or becoming dependent on her validation. Because it leads too many men to result to killing too many women, and the entire family.
the same goes for hate groups, who MUST learn to respect humanity, not play the hate game based on skin color and some delusion of one skin tone being better than another.
One great step is we need to reform our policy on education. It must be MANDATORY any able body person school age must go to school. We must put the controls in our schools to mandate disciplined conduct is the atmosphere on any and all campuses. We need mandatory public service or as I've written before, "A Civic Corp", to help give people an avenue for building and developing meaning and purpose in their lives, it also helps people learn how to live a civil life among the diversity of others. The idle mind is a place where many vile things can take shape and grow.
So when we talk about the issues of guns, it also includes the many many aspects of life we fail to connect to the gun violence which continues to be an atrocity across the American Landscape.
Last edited by Chance and Change; 10-23-2015 at 05:31 AM..
Seems like this problem lies mostly in the Black community. I'd love to know the current % of murders for 2015 broken down by race. In many areas like NYC, Chicago I bet it runs 70-80% Black on Black.
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We do need a more educated society, we also need a more socially respectful society whom respects the civility of community and the humanity of individuals.
The vast majority of gun crimes in the US are not committed by, as you term them, "gun fetishists". They are committed by common criminals, gang bangers, deranged nuts and other unstable people. Ninety nine percent of people who enjoy and use firearms recreationally are never involved any any kind of gun crime.
Where do these "bad guys" of yours get their guns? Many of them of course simply steal guns from those you think of as the "good guys". What would you say to taking the model of licensing and registration currently used for automobiles, and applying that to guns? Then if a gun used in a crime were recovered and traced back to you as the registered owner, you'd do a minimum five-year sentence for a first offense. Do you think that sort of thing might be enough to convince gun owners to do a better job of protecting their guns and keeping the rest of us safer from them?
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We'll just enjoy going about our daily lives NOT having to worry about a gun fetishist doing his thing. Who cares if rates are down, they are STILL way too high FFS!!! They just went from horrible to awful, like that matters 
Anything to make the gun nuts feel better right?
Isn't that a tv show like duck dynasty?
