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Old 10-25-2015, 06:53 AM
 
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All these "mass shootings" comprise a tiny percentage of murders. They are all that media concentrates on, though.

There's on the average 20 -30 people killed each year in mass shootings, I think the worst was around 70 in the year of Virginia Tech massacre.

There's around 11,000 murders committed each year. Half of them are in the ghettos. A tiny minority of US population is responsible for half of all murders.

This is a perfect example of mass media manipulating the public opinion. Making people like you to ignore the main, huge problem while concentrating on outliers.

And the murder rate had been dropping in the past two decades, just as the legal gun ownership rates skyrocketed since 2000. Again, the fact that media ignores.

Download FBI crime statistics. Look up demographic makeup statistics. Do a basic analysis for yourself. Stop mindlessly parroting propaganda. The real world does not agree with you.

Stop listening to the leftist control obsessed nuts. Don't listen to the right wing nuts. Look at the freaking data from the basic, unbiased source, and be honest with yourself, and open minded.

Geez!!!! what kind of mentality is this?!?!?, " people are made dead'.... and you come across as if to imply some measurement of quantity will make it OK....
Maybe if you are caught up with some family members wiped out by a mass shooter, you will quickly change your tune. Unless you are just heartless and void of compassion.

Right wingers mentality continue to show they have a high propensity of being of a dangerous ideals set.

 
Old 10-25-2015, 06:55 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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The government simply needs to pass some laws, either you comply or you face the consequences of non compliance. That's how simple it it.
What compliance rate do you expect from hardened criminals?
 
Old 10-25-2015, 06:55 AM
 
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Geez!!!! what kind of mentality is this?!?!?, " people are made dead'.... and you come across as if to imply some measurement of quantity will make it OK....
Maybe if you are caught up with some family members wiped out by a mass shooter, you will quickly change your tune. Unless you are just heartless and void of compassion.

Right wingers mentality continue to show they have a high propensity of being of a dangerous ideals set.
Nice rant.

Guns are here to stay. Deal with it.
 
Old 10-25-2015, 06:56 AM
 
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Learn this....a law abiding legal gun owner isn't when committing murder. Contrary to what you believe the majority of mass shooters are not ordinary law abiding gun owners.

Why not go after a guy with 6 DUIs driving around while drunk? Or HRC lying in front of congress?

Life prohibited to those with an IQ of less than 80 would eliminate 60% of the democrat's voting base.
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Life prohibited to those with an IQ of less than 80 would eliminate 60% of the democrat's voting base.
and certainly it would eliminate 90% of the Right Winger voting base.
 
Old 10-25-2015, 06:57 AM
 
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We had one failed shoe bombing years ago, and now everyone has to take off their shoes at the airport. All kinds of mass shootings and daily firearm deaths, and our collective response is to shrug and go, "Oh well, what can you do?"
 
Old 10-25-2015, 07:01 AM
 
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These daily and weekly shooting in and around the Nation, in every state, then there is the madness in particular to focus on The ArklaTex, has gone far enough. Whether it's Shreveport, Texarkana, Marshall, or further South. Focus is also on the killing frenzy in Big Major Metro's, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Miami, New Orleans, and many many many other cities.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!!!!

There has to be a crack down - I don't care about the Gun obsessed advocates and their whining. I own guns, I have no problem with a program that demands re-registration into a national data base, with finger prints and photo required, as well as controls on individual sellers, to have to submit a form to the Local Police Department in their area and wait for an authorization to sell a gun to another individual. it does not matter if its a Hand Gun or any kind of gun, including shot guns, The seller and the purchaser needs to have a background check performed before the police give the authorization to transfer ownership of guns from one person to another.

Then we can move toward a program to random gun check, on people in the streets, potential or suspected gang members, or anyone who has and fits what ever the profile is in questionable situations of a potential criminal intent, or domestic violence or other types of categories which pose potential threat, or harm to others.

We can't go on with some bland and wild west style mentality of fighting against some maintenance managmement of who has guns and who does not. I don't care if they ban "Assault Weapons", as far as I'm concerned they have no place in the general public domain, they should be relegated to Police, and Military ownerships and usage. PERIOD. iT IS NOT A SPORT'S HUNTING WEAPON - it is an Assault Weapon. PERIOD. Trying to pretend otherwise is an insanity. Trying to justify it for Sports Hunting should be classified as cruelty to animals. there are many justifications to get these things out of the hands of average citizens.
Purchasing Amo is another matter that has to be addressed. No sale without a form stating what the intented use is. We can go as far as having people to bring in the expended casing, if they expect to purchase additional amo.

I'm sure this post will get a big backlash of controversy, but rather than slamming everything, if you can't offer potential solutions, the posting a bunch of contrite commentary is not promoting anything toward solving the matter of guns in the wrong hands.

It would be treat is there was such a thing as 100% Responsible Gun Ownership - but that is not reality and that certain is not a true fact in America. I am not against Gun Ownership - But we certainly should have some controls over Management Maintenance and National Data systems which profile who is the gun owner and what type of guns do they own.
Gun Manufactuers should be made to build "chip technology" within every weapons produced", and embed it in a way that it cannot be easily removed. Anyone caught with an altered chip, or a removed chip, They are dealt with through the Law Encorcement system and ATF; treat it the same as "counterfieting" with mandatory still penalty.

Then... there is the craziness of 'Domestic Violence" with people killing the whole family, behind some emotional squabble, economic set back and broken relationship. Why don't we have a campaign of some sort, that emphasis, "Don't Run to the Gun - find a soultion to preserve life".
We need a Campaign to Teach Kids, - "Killing Does not Solve Problems or Challenges in Building a Good Life".

We can talk all do and put management maintenance data systems to gun ownership, but even still if we don't reach the hearts and minds of people, even those who have guns and they are within the data base and their picture and finger prints are registered. If they don't have focus given to the mental and social aspects and concepts about how to make their life work. These people can be killers, the same as people in any given situation.

People can find many means to kill, but we need not make grabbing a gun such a easy option. We should not make having acces to get a gun such a easy options, We can make it a Responsible Choice. We can set up mandatory training for people who purchase guns, be it via private purchase or via gun dealers. There should be some mandatory " Responsibility Session" people must attend.
  • You can't just go buy and car and start driving, you have to pass a test and be issued a license.
  • Why should people be allowed to buy a gun and just be loose to go start shooting it?
Ask your legislators why they insist on passing restrictive gun laws that have no bearing on reducing the bulk of the violence committed by gangs selling illegal drugs defending their territory and not caring about colateral dmagae.

Add to that disregard the deaths resulting from use of illegal drugs.

Do you not realize the murders are clustered?

A few months of tallying Chicago dead surpasses all the 'mass shootings' put together. Grab a BLM activist and put thier nose inthe statistics and ask them why BLdon'tM?

NJ requires health records, fingerprints, references and a NICS check on top of all that. Repeat for a permit to purchase a pistol. NJ does not issue permits to carry except to money handlers and ex cops. The result? Newark, NJ has an unbroken monthly murder rate since the 1960s that has now increased, along with tighter gun restrictions, to a statistical 2plus deaths a week.

Maine has the least restictive gun laws. You can buy a machine gun, carry a pistol w/o a permit, drive around with an uloaded, uncased gun on your front seat. and no daily bloodflow on its streets.

In those two cases gun laws are irrelevant to the crime rate. So why do you want more gun laws that save no one?

the difference is in the people and culture that accepts gang law in lieu of legislated law. A culture that embraces career criminals and figures prison is what everyone in the family does.

The bulk of murder is downstream of gangs and career criminal that are cycled thru the prisons and released to kill again. The average gang member is 15 years old!!!

You would have more impact on the killing if you handed out avacodos on the street corner than you would realize by passing more gun laws.

Why do you not care about innocent colateral damage from gang violence ?

Why do you insist on selling avacodos to stop the violence?
 
Old 10-25-2015, 07:01 AM
 
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Nice rant.

Guns are here to stay. Deal with it.
that's exactly what the post is about ... "dealing with it"... hopefully time moves us forth to deal with it via a maintenance management system of a national data base, with all the attributes of background checks.
 
Old 10-25-2015, 07:04 AM
 
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Ask your legislators why they insist on passing restrictive gun laws that have no bearing on reducing the bulk of the violence committed by gangs selling illegal drugs defending their territory and not caring about colateral dmagae.

Add to that disregard the deaths resulting from use of illegal drugs.

Do you not realize the murders are clustered?

A few months of tallying Chicago dead surpasses all the 'mass shootings' put together. Grab a BLM activist and put thier nose inthe statistics and ask them why BLdon'tM?


NJ requires health records, fingerprints, references and a NICS check on top of all that. Repeat for a permit to purchase a pistol. NJ does not issue permits to carry except to money handlers and ex cops. The result? Newark, NJ has an unbroken monthly murder rate since the 1960s that has now increased, along with tighter gun restrictions, to a statistical 2plus deaths a week.

Maine has the least restictive gun laws. You can buy a machine gun, carry a pistol w/o a permit, drive around with an uloaded, uncased gun on your front seat. and no daily bloodflow on its streets.

In those two cases gun laws are irrelevant to the crime rate. So why do you want more gun laws that save no one?

the difference is in the people and culture that accepts gang law in lieu of legislated law. A culture that embraces career criminals and figures prison is what everyone in the family does.

The bulk of murder is downstream of gangs and career criminal that are cycled thru the prisons and released to kill again. The average gang member is 15 years old!!!

You would have more impact on the killing if you handed out avacodos on the street corner than you would realize by passing more gun laws.

Why do you not care about innocent colateral damage from gang violence ?

Why do you insist on selling avacodos to stop the violence?
mix all the fruits you want in a basket, each one still remains 'exactly what it originally is".... so dealing with guns is dealing with guns, dealing with drugs is dealing with drugs. Your attempt at "deflecting" isn't working very well to void out the need to deal with gun control measures.
 
Old 10-25-2015, 07:42 AM
 
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that's exactly what the post is about ... "dealing with it"... hopefully time moves us forth to deal with it via a maintenance management system of a national data base, with all the attributes of background checks.
Already exists and it doesn't work. Maryland in particular tried a spent cartridge database. Huge expense for no return. They quietly scrapped it.

But keep trying.
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