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Old 10-21-2015, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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Just tell everyone, "BE GOOD", there problem solved! ....... Guess not. Works as well as other solutions proposed!

 
Old 10-21-2015, 02:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
Get off it, Government funding probably props up the job you current have, and any jobs you previously had, maybe you should learn more about how broad government contracts extend, and the provisions many of the Boomer generation enjoyed because of gov. Contracts. Grants, and underwriting via many means. The boomer generation has been a disaster on many levels, expecially when it comes to the economy and financial matters. It was the Boomer and their first generation of offsprings who "sold out American and any historical industrial and commercial institutional business in America. It was the boomer generations who benefitted from Federal and State monies for community colleges and state universities, which the Boomer generation enjoyed.
Only when Reagan came along did the ramp up game to defund higher education take the same model on the national level, as he did when he nearly destroyed the UC system in California.

The boomers in the financial markets, 'USED" the young to take the fall and make the criminal moves to further make use of the young to buffer themselves against the prison time the boomers and their first generation offsprings should have received for the financial collapse in 2007-2008.

But as it often is, the confabulations of the Right Wing, and the Boomers, is beyond belief, as to how deeply ingrained their selective Amnesia is.

Hope and Change was the best thing to happen to America, it saved the economy and various industries because if it was left to Right wingers, not only would they have continued to devastate American's economy they would have wrapped us in every more wars, and we be paying $8 a gallon for gas, while even more schools would be closed, and they'd have signed the death certificate of so many other seniors who did not fit within their group.

the gunslinger mentality within this group is again and atrocity. When it comes to those talking about liberal and drugs, maybe they should go read and learn about the Red Zones and Red State areas where Crystal Meth, Heorion, and OxyContin has devasted the youth in rural right wing america. Then when it comes to killing, pay attention to where those 'mass murderers hail from and how many people they kill, as a matter of fact, multiple TV channels, have more "real life stories about killers and killing" unti they could run stories 3 times a day on every channel and still not cover all the outrageous ways people conjure to kill others, including gun violence.

It's not good to attack without first reflecting to gather perspective of what is the real turths that exist.
lol. did you forget what your thread was about?
 
Old 10-21-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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I agree. This is madness. I have a gun. I would vote to have a background check, a test, or whatever, in order to get another gun, if I have to do those things. It's not a big deal, and if it would help, that is the common sense thing to do. And it would help. No doubt about it.
No, it wouldn't help. You have no idea what you're talking about. Give us some evidence that background checks and tests and "whatever" would help.

I'll give you some counter-evidence. Washington, D.C., has the strictest gun control laws in the country--background checks, the woiks. And yet, they also have the highest per capita gun murder rates in the country, a whopping 17% (most states are down around 5%).

Similarly, the black neighborhoods in other strict gun control states such as New York, Illinois, Michigan, etc. Chicago alone boasts some 20-30 shootings every weekend.

The western states such as Arizona and Colorado, where guns are almost universal and at least in Arizona, concealed carry is completely allowed, no permit at all required, have a normal level of gun violence, not out of the ordinary. Increasing gun control in those places wouldn't make any difference because guns are not a problem. It's people that's the problem. Insane people, some white criminals, a whole bunch of black gangbangers. These are the populations we need to pay attention to.

Stop blaming guns for socio-economic and mental health problems. That's what got us into this mess, is liberals deflecting from the real problems. You can't solve a problem until you identify the problem correctly.
 
Old 10-21-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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Jim Jeffries, the australian comic I referred to in an earlier post did explain it. Banning guns and removing them from circulation when involved in a crime will eventually drive the price of them up in the black market to the point that typical criminal types won't be able to afford them. This would also negatively impact the income statements of most gun manufacturers, so it'll never happen here.
How is it that people living on the street are able to purchase heroine?

Heroine is illegal to import, transport, possess, sell, buy or use and yet there are hundreds of thousands of relatively poor people who buy it several times a week.

Since heroine is being removed from circulation whenever it is discovered by the authorities, how are the criminal types able to supply it to the poor users, who many times turn to crime to get money to buy it, able to afford it?

Sorry, but Jim Jeffries is ignoring reality.
 
Old 10-21-2015, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Thanks for the information but it's rather irrelevant.

In fact, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (bjs.gov - look it up) 50-60% of gun homicides are perpetrated by young black males in black ghetto areas, and most of their victims are also black. Gangbangers mostly.

Most white gun deaths are due to suicide. Most black gun deaths are due to homicide.

It's about 12,000 homicides a year, and about 6,000 of those fall into the black gangbanger category.

The percentage of black ghetto killings may actually be higher, because bjs.gov is only counting the solved crimes. Some 30-40% of crimes are not yet solved, and quite likely the percentage is higher.

The second highest homicidal group is the lower income Hispanic neighborhoods.

In fact if you control for just the black killers, which is about 1% of the U.S. population (figuring black males are 6.5% of the U.S., and 1% are those gangbanger youths), then our per capita gun crime rate is about the same as Canada and Western Europe -- in other words -- there's not a major gun problem other than in the ghetto areas.

Gun control probably won't move the needle on these numbers because obviously gangbangers and other criminals can and often do obtain their guns illicitly.

The sensational mass shootings by the mentally ill get a lot of air play, but they're a tiny minority of all shootings. Still, I think we need to scrutinize our mental health programs and maybe get more of these people off the streets, out of their mother's basements, and into residential programs where they can be properly treated.
Smart posting there.
 
Old 10-21-2015, 03:04 PM
 
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Australia is also 2700 MILES away from the nearest habitable continent.

It doesn't have an unsecured Mexican border to the South of it.
 
Old 10-21-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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Australia is also 2700 MILES away from the nearest habitable continent.

It doesn't have an unsecured Mexican border to the South of it.
Not to mention a very different culture.
 
Old 10-21-2015, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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These daily and weekly shooting in and around the Nation, in every state, then there is the madness in particular to focus on The ArklaTex, has gone far enough. Whether it's Shreveport, Texarkana, Marshall, or further South. Focus is also on the killing frenzy in Big Major Metro's, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Miami, New Orleans, and many many many other cities.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!!!!

There has to be a crack down - I don't care about the Gun obsessed advocates and their whining. I own guns, I have no problem with a program that demands re-registration into a national data base, with finger prints and photo required, as well as controls on individual sellers, to have to submit a form to the Local Police Department in their area and wait for an authorization to sell a gun to another individual. it does not matter if its a Hand Gun or any kind of gun, including shot guns, The seller and the purchaser needs to have a background check performed before the police give the authorization to transfer ownership of guns from one person to another.

Then we can move toward a program to random gun check, on people in the streets, potential or suspected gang members, or anyone who has and fits what ever the profile is in questionable situations of a potential criminal intent, or domestic violence or other types of categories which pose potential threat, or harm to others.

We can't go on with some bland and wild west style mentality of fighting against some maintenance managmement of who has guns and who does not. I don't care if they ban "Assault Weapons", as far as I'm concerned they have no place in the general public domain, they should be relegated to Police, and Military ownerships and usage. PERIOD. iT IS NOT A SPORT'S HUNTING WEAPON - it is an Assault Weapon. PERIOD. Trying to pretend otherwise is an insanity. Trying to justify it for Sports Hunting should be classified as cruelty to animals. there are many justifications to get these things out of the hands of average citizens.
Purchasing Amo is another matter that has to be addressed. No sale without a form stating what the intented use is. We can go as far as having people to bring in the expended casing, if they expect to purchase additional amo.

I'm sure this post will get a big backlash of controversy, but rather than slamming everything, if you can't offer potential solutions, the posting a bunch of contrite commentary is not promoting anything toward solving the matter of guns in the wrong hands.

It would be treat is there was such a thing as 100% Responsible Gun Ownership - but that is not reality and that certain is not a true fact in America. I am not against Gun Ownership - But we certainly should have some controls over Management Maintenance and National Data systems which profile who is the gun owner and what type of guns do they own.
Gun Manufactuers should be made to build "chip technology" within every weapons produced", and embed it in a way that it cannot be easily removed. Anyone caught with an altered chip, or a removed chip, They are dealt with through the Law Encorcement system and ATF; treat it the same as "counterfieting" with mandatory still penalty.

Then... there is the craziness of 'Domestic Violence" with people killing the whole family, behind some emotional squabble, economic set back and broken relationship. Why don't we have a campaign of some sort, that emphasis, "Don't Run to the Gun - find a soultion to preserve life".
We need a Campaign to Teach Kids, - "Killing Does not Solve Problems or Challenges in Building a Good Life".

We can talk all do and put management maintenance data systems to gun ownership, but even still if we don't reach the hearts and minds of people, even those who have guns and they are within the data base and their picture and finger prints are registered. If they don't have focus given to the mental and social aspects and concepts about how to make their life work. These people can be killers, the same as people in any given situation.
People can find many means to kill, but we need not make grabbing a gun such a easy option. We should not make having acces to get a gun such a easy options, We can make it a Responsible Choice. We can set up mandatory training for people who purchase guns, be it via private purchase or via gun dealers. There should be some mandatory " Responsibility Session" people must attend.
  • You can't just go buy and car and start driving, you have to pass a test and be issued a license.
  • Why should people be allowed to buy a gun and just be loose to go start shooting it?

This post is so ridiculous and laughable, I don't know where to begin. So let me simply say again that those who obtain their guns legally represent a minority of those responsible for the killings that you are suddenly so outraged about.

*Sigh.*
 
Old 10-21-2015, 03:24 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change View Post
These daily and weekly shooting in and around the Nation, in every state, then there is the madness in particular to focus on The ArklaTex, has gone far enough. Whether it's Shreveport, Texarkana, Marshall, or further South. Focus is also on the killing frenzy in Big Major Metro's, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Miami, New Orleans, and many many many other cities.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH !!!!!!

There has to be a crack down - I don't care about the Gun obsessed advocates and their whining. I own guns, I have no problem with a program that demands re-registration into a national data base, with finger prints and photo required, as well as controls on individual sellers, to have to submit a form to the Local Police Department in their area and wait for an authorization to sell a gun to another individual. it does not matter if its a Hand Gun or any kind of gun, including shot guns, The seller and the purchaser needs to have a background check performed before the police give the authorization to transfer ownership of guns from one person to another.

Then we can move toward a program to random gun check, on people in the streets, potential or suspected gang members, or anyone who has and fits what ever the profile is in questionable situations of a potential criminal intent, or domestic violence or other types of categories which pose potential threat, or harm to others.

We can't go on with some bland and wild west style mentality of fighting against some maintenance managmement of who has guns and who does not. I don't care if they ban "Assault Weapons", as far as I'm concerned they have no place in the general public domain, they should be relegated to Police, and Military ownerships and usage. PERIOD. iT IS NOT A SPORT'S HUNTING WEAPON - it is an Assault Weapon. PERIOD. Trying to pretend otherwise is an insanity. Trying to justify it for Sports Hunting should be classified as cruelty to animals. there are many justifications to get these things out of the hands of average citizens.
Purchasing Amo is another matter that has to be addressed. No sale without a form stating what the intented use is. We can go as far as having people to bring in the expended casing, if they expect to purchase additional amo.

I'm sure this post will get a big backlash of controversy, but rather than slamming everything, if you can't offer potential solutions, the posting a bunch of contrite commentary is not promoting anything toward solving the matter of guns in the wrong hands.

It would be treat is there was such a thing as 100% Responsible Gun Ownership - but that is not reality and that certain is not a true fact in America. I am not against Gun Ownership - But we certainly should have some controls over Management Maintenance and National Data systems which profile who is the gun owner and what type of guns do they own.
Gun Manufactuers should be made to build "chip technology" within every weapons produced", and embed it in a way that it cannot be easily removed. Anyone caught with an altered chip, or a removed chip, They are dealt with through the Law Encorcement system and ATF; treat it the same as "counterfieting" with mandatory still penalty.

Then... there is the craziness of 'Domestic Violence" with people killing the whole family, behind some emotional squabble, economic set back and broken relationship. Why don't we have a campaign of some sort, that emphasis, "Don't Run to the Gun - find a soultion to preserve life".
We need a Campaign to Teach Kids, - "Killing Does not Solve Problems or Challenges in Building a Good Life".

We can talk all do and put management maintenance data systems to gun ownership, but even still if we don't reach the hearts and minds of people, even those who have guns and they are within the data base and their picture and finger prints are registered. If they don't have focus given to the mental and social aspects and concepts about how to make their life work. These people can be killers, the same as people in any given situation.

People can find many means to kill, but we need not make grabbing a gun such a easy option. We should not make having acces to get a gun such a easy options, We can make it a Responsible Choice. We can set up mandatory training for people who purchase guns, be it via private purchase or via gun dealers. There should be some mandatory " Responsibility Session" people must attend.
  • You can't just go buy and car and start driving, you have to pass a test and be issued a license.
  • Why should people be allowed to buy a gun and just be loose to go start shooting it?
Don't compare gun ownership to driving a car.
One is protected in the 2nd Amendment, the other is mentioned nowhere.

Any restriction to the 2nd Amendment should apply to the 1st Amendment.
If you have to prove need to exercise your right in the 2nd Amendment, do the same for the first.
Make it difficult for any group to organize a free speech protest.
Censor very closely all internet opinion sites and make anyone writing letters to the editor to show need in order to get their opinion letter published.

Yes, the 1st Amendment causes killing also by the hate speech by groups like Black lives matter.
Crack down hard on the 2nd Amendment ?
First crack down hard on the 1st Amendment, Comrade
 
Old 10-21-2015, 03:26 PM
 
Location: La Jolla, CA
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What frenzy is that? If you were really interested in "common sense gun control" like so many people pretend to be, then you'd realize that the obvious thing is to simply enforce laws that exist.
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