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About half the ex-military people I hired were excellent; the other half had no concept of how to work with kids (and we had many military applicants because we were in the D.C. area).
And there are the hundreds who enjoy being teachers and mentors of Junior ROTC in high school.
For several years after my retirement, I lived in a city where all the high schools were hostile to the JRTOC program (I know--I tried to talk them into it), so a group of us military retirees organized a program for teenagers with the mission of teaching the same values we believed in as soldiers, airmen, sailors, and Marines.
We worked with girls and boys from sixth grade through high school, practicing marching because we participated in parades and any patriotic function in the various towns around us and anything the VFW or American Legion was doing. We did various public service functions, went camping several times a year.
It was quite a popular program among lower-economic whites (I was frustrated in not getting much black interest), but interestingly after the Iraq War began, it became even more popular to Latino parents.
Here's a novel concept: How about parents start teaching their children RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY?
If the student had done as she was told, the officer wouldn't have had to manhandle her.
I have no pity for her. What should they have done? Dismissed class for the day and hope her highness would behave better tomorrow? FAT CHANCE of that once she knew SHE was in control.
Should we allow disruptive, disrespectful children to hold education hostage to their whims? To hell with the students who are there to learn?
The same goes for police.
If you do not want to be manhandled, tazered or shot, respect their authority and do as you are told.
Are you kidding me? This is tantamount to saying that if someone is pulled over for a traffic infraction and mouths off to the cop, its ok to shoot them. Seriously. You need to think through a few things. Very fascistic and quite unAmerican way of thinking frankly. MIGHT does not equal RIGHT- except in a dictatorship.
You know what's really crazy about this case that the police were involved when no crime was talking place. Not listening to a teacher or principal or disrupting class with a phone is not a crime. I'm not taking her side but its not a chrime.
I wouldn't be surprised if she wins a large settlement from an unlawful arrest.
Okay, then define "disrupting school" because there are plenty of dress codes that state that having Mohawks/pink hair/exposed collar bones/long hair on boys as "disruptive" to the point where these kids are punished. Is all that against the law in your jurisdiction? To what degree must a child be disruptive in order to get arrested? Pulling out a phone is not disruptive to learning; watching a girl get body slammed and dragged across the room by a cop IS.
There is not one answer to the bolded question, and, usually such laws are a bit vague. I doubt very much that a dress code violation would stand up as the kind of violation that would lead to pressing charges.
As to your statement in brown, I agree pulling out a phone in and of itself is not disruptive, other than to that individual student; depending on what she does with it, it could be disruptive to others. Apparently you haven't read many of the posts here; I have repeatedly denounced the cops actions.
I was watching MSNBC last night and one of the commentators mentioned this was a racial issue. The cop is engaged to an African-American woman! I don't think he should have thrown her across the room, however, it looks as if she punched him and was resisting arrest.
It doesn't matter who he is engaged to, it doesn't matter if the child was black or white. "If" she hit him and I can't clearly see that, then knocking the desk over with her in it might have been excusable, but after you do that and THEN pick up the desk with her in it and throw it....sorry but he crossed the line and I don't think there is one Police Officer who posts in these forums who would disagree with that assessment
I just watched a video in which a student who attends that school said the officer is a nice guy. Is the media only showing up what they want us to see?
Yes, maybe he went too far, but why was he called to the classroom in the first place?
Even the teacher said his actions were appropriate at first, so now it's become political. This video was already posted, but go to 2:20 and listen to the student.
The SRO was probably too aggressive with the girl in trying to remove her from the classroom. The videos all show him picking her up and dragging her across the floor. The part of me that's a parent, the "dude, that's a girl" part of me, the part of me that usually finds any encounter with police to be a little uncomfortable and unfair, all say he used excessive force in handling her.
However, judging from the situation and looking at the body language of the other students, it was obvious the young lady was moreso disruptive and disrespectful than being bullied. Three different people (the teacher, an administrator, and the SRO) asked her to leave before it got to him getting physical with her.
I understand people flatly saying "he should've handled it differently" but I think, as adults, we know it wasn't going to go much differently than that if she was refusing to leave. It doesn't have anything to do with race. I get that blacks feel there's a systemic bias against them, and that's a conversation that should be had in a broad sense, but you can't ignore the details of a specific situation just so it will fit a narrative.
We can play the "if/then" game till the cows come home...the bottom line is this girl blatantly disobeyed being told to leave.
I have a son, and if I heard he had to be handled like a sack of potatoes in order to be removed from the classroom after being told several times by multiple people, I'd be far angrier with him than I would at the school. There's "civil disobedience" and there's just being a disrespectful brat. There's a time and place to stand your ground; ignoring what the teacher says after he catches you on your cell phone in class is not the hill to die on.
The officer's been fired and the girl has lawyered up, so it's just a big mess. I think this officer is being sacrificed given the current political climate and because his superiors don't want to deal with the headache of keeping him around now that this is national news, but that's how it goes.
And there are the hundreds who enjoy being teachers and mentors of Junior ROTC in high school.
For several years after my retirement, I lived in a city where all the high schools were hostile to the JRTOC program (I know--I tried to talk them into it), so a group of us military retirees organized a program for teenagers with the mission of teaching the same values we believed in as soldiers, airmen, sailors, and Marines.
We worked with girls and boys from sixth grade through high school, practicing marching because we participated in parades and any patriotic function in the various towns around us and anything the VFW or American Legion was doing. We did various public service functions, went camping several times a year.
It was quite a popular program among lower-economic whites (I was frustrated in not getting much black interest), but interestingly after the Iraq War began, it became even more popular to Latino parents.
We didn't have JROTC in my public school district … But I was a Civil Air Patrol Cadet for two years, during which I learned basic discipline, chain of command, how to snap a salute, close order drill, the basics of aviation science, communication, navigation, etc. … After all these years, I still remember my serial number and the international phonetic alphabet ...
Funny how she sustained these injuries after she saw a lawyer. She was perfectly fine when the SRO hooked her up and led her out.
In 7 to 10 years when that part of SC is crime infested with a 90% jobless rate, 100% crime rate and unimaginable levels of poverty in addition to all the other things that come along with the afore mentioned and the citizens are crying foul that they have no opportunity and they have to riot, or as they call it "protest" remember this incident. This will be just another city on permanent government welfare.
First of all, you can't tell in the videos whether she is injured or not. I've seen people have concussions that weren't discovered until much later. I've seen people walk with broken bones in their feet.
Second, do you think predicting a 90% jobless rate and a 100% crime rate might be just a bit of hyperbole?
Let me just expand on your point of critical thinking. I propose there were two possible solutions to dealing with this student. 1. Clear the class room, leaving her by herself with school officals and dealing with it that way, which IMO would have further disputed the learning environment.
2. Wait until class ends and grab her as she was walking out and escort her to the Principal office. You have no idea how any of the scenarios will play out, and just walking away is not an option. As I stated in my first post in this thread, IMO school officials are so quick to call the cops because they don't want to risk their careers and wind up in a liberal media's cross hairs that incite people more than they report on actual events.
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