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Old 10-30-2015, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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Sandals are the preferred footwear in the Middle East. It's all a technicality.
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Old 10-30-2015, 06:09 PM
 
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Only congress has the power to declare war, and to authorize this military action, not the president. It has been disastrous to the U.S. with congress letting the president usurp the power.
The powers that be support this crap. Why vote when you can get your wishes fulfilled and not have to take any responsibility.
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Old 10-30-2015, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Only congress has the power to declare war, and to authorize this military action, not the president. It has been disastrous to the U.S. with congress letting the president usurp the power.
Well half your statement is true, Congress has the power to declare war, but the President has the authority to do this kind of military action without the need of approval from Congress. Even a Republican President would be within his right to do this kind of military action without approval from Congress.
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Old 10-30-2015, 07:05 PM
 
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Well half your statement is true, Congress has the power to declare war, but the President has the authority to do this kind of military action without the need of approval from Congress. Even a Republican President would be within his right to do this kind of military action without approval from Congress.
I do not think he has the Constitutional authority. The president has no authorization from congress, and is engaging in a military action that is not to deter any immediate threat to the U.S. Article 1 Section 8 makes this very clear, and gives no exception to this. Even if we use the War Powers Resolution (1973) this action is not being taken to counter an immediate threat to the U.S., and U.S. bombing/military action in Syria has been going on for a lot longer than 60, or even 90 days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
Avalon Project - War Powers Resolution
Congress Won't Approve Obama's Authorization of Force Against ISIS - The Atlantic
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Old 10-30-2015, 07:48 PM
 
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The muslim president will get America in a real war with real militaries and leave office.
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Old 10-30-2015, 07:54 PM
 
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Unfortunatly you have to be in constant active conflicts in order to justify the massive payrolls and bennifts for our 1.5 million man military. Then all those people get out and have all sorts of assorted bennifts. I dont mind keeping up with the high technology and keep it in a bunker somewhere in case we need it but the military has been come like a welfare program that you have to run the mile for. If you have over a million people sitting in garrison for very long thats going to get serious political attention.

Its one thing to retain your elite units and maintaniers but the militarys rolls are hugely bloated right now and the only way to justify it is to be in perpetual conflicts.
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Old 10-30-2015, 07:57 PM
 
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He can engage in "police actions" for I think its up to 90 days, thats enough time to antagonize Russia into a hot war which will compell Congress to declair war. The only way out of this would be if the generals refused Obamas orders and also refused to step down and took violent action against the secret service if it becamse nessecary. Then Putin could negotiate directly with congress.

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I do not think he has the Constitutional authority. The president has no authorization from congress, and is engaging in a military action that is not to deter any immediate threat to the U.S. Article 1 Section 8 makes this very clear, and gives no exception to this. Even if we use the War Powers Resolution (1973) this action is not being taken to counter an immediate threat to the U.S., and U.S. bombing/military action in Syria has been going on for a lot longer than 60, or even 90 days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
Avalon Project - War Powers Resolution
Congress Won't Approve Obama's Authorization of Force Against ISIS - The Atlantic
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Old 10-30-2015, 08:03 PM
 
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He can engage in "police actions" for I think its up to 90 days, thats enough time to antagonize Russia into a hot war which will compell Congress to declair war. The only way out of this would be if the generals refused Obamas orders and also refused to step down and took violent action against the secret service if it becamse nessecary. Then Putin could negotiate directly with congress.
My point is that the president has been engaged in this military, or police action, for a lot longer than 90 days. To my knowledge the president still has no congressional approval for these actions in Syria, and is also in the process violating the sovereignty of Syria.
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Old 10-30-2015, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I do not think he has the Constitutional authority. The president has no authorization from congress, and is engaging in a military action that is not to deter any immediate threat to the U.S. Article 1 Section 8 makes this very clear, and gives no exception to this. Even if we use the War Powers Resolution (1973) this action is not being taken to counter an immediate threat to the U.S., and U.S. bombing/military action in Syria has been going on for a lot longer than 60, or even 90 days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
Avalon Project - War Powers Resolution
Congress Won't Approve Obama's Authorization of Force Against ISIS - The Atlantic
What defines an immediate threat? That tends to be the loophole. All Obama has to do is notify Congress within 48 hours, and has up to 60 day of action with 30 days withdrawal before needing to have any Congressional approval.
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Old 10-30-2015, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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My point is that the president has been engaged in this military, or police action, for a lot longer than 90 days. To my knowledge the president still has no congressional approval for these actions in Syria, and is also in the process violating the sovereignty of Syria.
Technically he hasn't, he has been involved in some fashion or another, but not in any military action way until now.
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