The whole thing about 1930s Jews, Germany, and gun control...can we just recognize this for the idiocy it is? (enemies, brainwash)
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I would have definitely wished I had a gun if I was going to be sent to slaughter, even if I had to die trying to take out some sick germs..
Which ignores the fact they didn't know they were going to be slaughtered, they thought they were going to be resettled in better places than the ghettoes a lot of them were currently in
Which ignores the fact they didn't know they were going to be slaughtered, they thought they were going to be resettled in better places than the ghettoes a lot of them were currently in
Then why did the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto fight back? Maybe they had an idea that they weren't being sent off to summer camp.
No, he didn't say the Jews were going to solo it vs. the 3rd Reich.
What Carson was alluding to was that an armed Jewish population would have changed the dynamic within the German internal order and force the German military to come to root out the Jewish enclaves which are hypothetically using arms to defend themselves from death camps.
We are talking about the damned Holocaust and people here are still rooting for gun control. How sick are you hoplophobes?!
Using six million murders as a political punchline is pretty sick, but it was Carson who decided to bring it up as a point in a debate on US gun policy.
Most Jews in Europe pre 1940 lived in Eastern Europe, not western Europe. Most holocaust victims were from Eastern Europe.
Most large cities in Eastern Europe c. 1939 had a high percentage of Jewish residents. Some were majority Jewish. Had they been armed, their round-up would have been considerably more difficult.
Warsaw - 33% Jewish
Lodz - 33% Jewish
Krakow - 25% Jewish
Budapest - 20% Jewish
Minsk - more than 50% Jewish
Lvov - 33% Jewish
Kiev - 30% Jewish
Bratislava - 12% Jewish
Vienna - 15% Jewish
Your demographic premise is completely wrong. Thread fail.
Ehm -you missed the point. The obnoxious rehashing of pre-war German gun laws is pointless, because - as you point out - most of the Holocaust victims would never have been subject to German gun laws at all.
"Despite what your momma told you, violence does solve problems"
---------- Chris Kyle
Not politically correct to say, but there is some truth to it. I certainly would not allow anybody to push me to the God damn gas chamber without fighting first. Dr. Ben Carson is a doctor, it is also pretty safe to assume that his ancestors were slaves. I often thought if slaves were allowed to have education and gun right, maybe the society would have been different.
Look at Israel today, F with us, I will bite your head off. They certainly have learned their lesson.
Dr. Ben Carson is a doctor and he has magical hands. He is an honorable man, because he cares. If you don't agree with him, attack his opinion, not him as a person.
I often thought if slaves were allowed to have education and gun right, maybe the society would have been different.
If slaves weren't kept in slave-like conditions, things would have been different? True, but perhaps a little obvious?
Zooming in on privately held firearms as some sort of fix-it is such oversimplification. There are arguments to be made in favor of widespread ownership of firearms, but "would have prevented the Holocaust" isn't one of them.
If slaves weren't kept in slave-like conditions, things would have been different? True, but perhaps a little obvious?
Zooming in on privately held firearms as some sort of fix-it is such oversimplification. There are arguments to be made in favor of widespread ownership of firearms, but "would have prevented the Holocaust" isn't one of them.
Then why did the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto fight back? Maybe they had an idea that they weren't being sent off to summer camp.
Because that happened much later when the war had started, do any of you people ( including Carson) actually know your history?
LMGTFY - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto
"By the end of 1942, it was clear that the deportations were to their deaths, and many of the remaining Jews decided to fight."
Ehm -you missed the point. The obnoxious rehashing of pre-war German gun laws is pointless, because - as you point out - most of the Holocaust victims would never have been subject to German gun laws at all.
The Jews in Eastern European cities weren't armed.
Using six million murders as a political punchline is pretty sick, but it was Carson who decided to bring it up as a point in a debate on US gun policy.
Carson said: “The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed.”
If the Germans had to root out 6,000,000 armed Jews from all over Europe he would have had a significantly harder time. You were looking at a whooping 200 armed Jews in Warsaw and they helped a population hold out from the Germans 10x longer then German estimates to clear the area. Carson is correct, and every available history book shows that an armed populace can withstand invasion and destruction for longer then those who were disarmed.
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Nope. Again, look at the fighting in Russia prior to 1943. The German armies were expert in this type of fighting. Likely though they'd have just bombed the holdout areas and finished up with artillery in that event. Or else simply cut off all supplies, electricity, water and let them die of starvation. Wouldn't take very long either.
A force with a few hand weapons wouldn't have had a chance in that situation. Not even a hope.
Except Germany couldn't. They couldn't even fire furnaces fully with petroleum fuels, they had to use body fats to keep the fires going (pretty ingenious solution covered in depth on documentaries). Germany was a nation pressed for time with poor resources fighting a 1-then-2 front war while at the same time having it's precious resources dwindle and be cut off. Your not containing 6,000,000 armed people with a total serving army of 20,000,000. Even if you did your expansion and invasions of other countries would be ground to a halt.
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