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Old 11-03-2015, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes, they blame Bush and Republicans for all of the nations ills.
Excellent example--extremist conservatives cannot even accept personal responsibility for claiming they are the party of personal responsibility.
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Old 11-03-2015, 05:57 PM
 
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Bill Ayers did indeed "ghost write" "Dream From My Father." This isn't even questioned by anyone who knows anything about Ayers' style vs. Obama's. It is nearly universally accepted that Ayers wrote the book.
nope.

"I have prepared the following analysis, which will I hope make clear how I see things in regard to the Ayers allegation made by Jack Cashill, an American author. In short, I feel very confident that it is false."

Barack Obama's Dream's from my Father

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Old 11-03-2015, 06:13 PM
 
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Yes, they blame Bush and Republicans for all of the nations ills.
Bush and the Republicans are and always will be responsible for all the things they actually did mess up. The list is HUGE!
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Old 11-04-2015, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Bush and the Republicans are and always will be responsible for all the things they actually did mess up. The list is HUGE!
Yes, they made a huge mistake in attacking Iraq illegally and causing the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis as well as wasting Trillions. Unfortunately Obama kept us engaged in those countries far far too long and is now getting us involved where we shouldn't be and is also acting illegally. We've had consecutive Presidents that sucked....vote for an American who doesn't want war...Rand Paul.
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Old 11-04-2015, 04:46 AM
 
Location: U.S.
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Bush and the Republicans are and always will be responsible for all the things they actually did mess up. The list is HUGE!
How true. Look at the Syrian crisis, Libya, collapse of Egypt, the ensuing exodus of millions from the middle east, peace in Afghanistan, Ukraine peace accord with Russia, and excessive debt spending on social programs. Blame Reagan. Blame Nixon. Coolidge. Lincoln!
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:14 AM
 
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Obama got 150,000 US troops out of The Decider's god-awful Iraq blunder, one that did not establish a beacon of democracy in the Middle East but rather created an enduring quagmire that still pays negative dividends to just about all involved. Obama felt -- against much good counsel -- that there was still important work to be done in Afghanistan, work that Bush had of course simply abandoned, turning an impressive American victory there into defeat. Arguably of course, there were no Grand Prizes to be won in either case. Obama may have gotten close to the best out of what was actually feasible.

As the super-power around here, the US has interests in places like Libya and Syria and the Pacific region whether it wants them or not. There is always the choice of doing nothing, but that choice may not be the best choice at all.

As for Rand Paul, we know that he has spent many years under the influence of a crazy person, and even if his shape-shifting suggests that he might be taken as the best among a group of simply awful alternatives, there is certainly a better direction to go in than his. His attitudes toward civil rights versus property rights should be disqualifying all by themselves.
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:22 AM
 
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How true. Look at the Syrian crisis, Libya, collapse of Egypt, the ensuing exodus of millions from the middle east, peace in Afghanistan, Ukraine peace accord with Russia, and excessive debt spending on social programs. Blame Reagan. Blame Nixon. Coolidge. Lincoln!
It would be a good idea if you actually did look into these things. And of course, every President is connected to the history that he has created. In the case of Reagan and the two Bushes, almost all of that legacy is one of persistent failure tied to increasing levels of utter disgrace. People blame them for things because that is where the blame belongs.
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Obama got 150,000 US troops out of The Decider's god-awful Iraq blunder, one that did not establish a beacon of democracy in the Middle East but rather created an enduring quagmire that still pays negative dividends to just about all involved. Obama felt -- against much good counsel -- that there was still important work to be done in Afghanistan, work that Bush had of course simply abandoned, turning an impressive American victory there into defeat. Arguably of course, there were no Grand Prizes to be won in either case. Obama may have gotten close to the best out of what was actually feasible.

As the super-power around here, the US has interests in places like Libya and Syria and the Pacific region whether it wants them or not. There is always the choice of doing nothing, but that choice may not be the best choice at all.

As for Rand Paul, we know that he has spent many years under the influence of a crazy person, and even if his shape-shifting suggests that he might be taken as the best among a group of simply awful alternatives, there is certainly a better direction to go in than his. His attitudes toward civil rights versus property rights should be disqualifying all by themselves.
All Obama had to do was fulfill his promise to the voters and use his authority as Commander in Chief to order troops home in January 2009 but now, almost 7 years later, we are still there and sending troops illegally into Syria....wtf. I don't give Bush a pass for acting illegally and don't give obama a pass for lying and keeping troops in the Middle East and starting more problems in Syria now.
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Old 11-04-2015, 05:33 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Obama got 150,000 US troops out of The Decider's god-awful Iraq blunder, one that did not establish a beacon of democracy in the Middle East but rather created an enduring quagmire that still pays negative dividends to just about all involved.
I guess you've forgotten the photos of the people showing that they had voted in Iraq after we had removed Sadam Hussein and helped to establish a new government in Iraq. That effort was successful.

It was Barrack Obama that failed to follow through, allowing the Muslim Brotherhood to take over Egypt, and terrorists to regain power in Iraq. Obama's failure, not George Bush's.

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Obama felt -- against much good counsel -- that there was still important work to be done in Afghanistan, work that Bush had of course simply abandoned, turning an impressive American victory there into defeat. Arguably of course, there were no Grand Prizes to be won in either case. Obama may have gotten close to the best out of what was actually feasible.
Man, are you brainwashed by Leftist propaganda! Everything is the fault of George Bush and the Republicans!

Obama is totally responsible for the entire mess that the Middle East is today, including the rise of ISIS, because of his lack of leadership (frankly, he simply doesn't have what it takes to be a leader) and strategy. He makes a mess of everything he touches, including things here at home.
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Old 11-04-2015, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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I laugh every time I see this thread title.
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