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This situation puts them backwards at least two years as Europe does to Egypt what Obama did to Israel last year. Israeli tourism was more affected by the Obama ban on flights than years of Palestinian issues. Meddling and more meddling.
US FAA and it's European equivalent banned flights to Tel Aviv for 36 hours in 2014 after a Hamas rocket landed near the airport. This had no measurable impact on tourism. To say that Obama ruined Israeli tourism by imposing a flight ban is partisan bs.
I remember the Nazis. But you don't remember the reason why they came to power. Ever hear of the Versailles Treaty, which America was involved in?
Do you remember the reason why ISIS, ISIL, and Al Qaeda are a threat to us? Some who were once are allies. We created them with our involvement in the Middle East. And every time we dispose a leader, which is illegal and unconstitutional, the extremists take over. It has nothing to do with left unchecked, it has everything to do with us meddling in affairs that is none of our business.
Bring our troops home and protect our borders like the Constitution says.
If you remember the US tried to get a peace in WW1 that did not punish Germany so harshly but our allies insisted on the very punitive Versailles treaty. We did not have the clout to convince Britain and France that after our short stint in the war and small death toll relative to theirs that we should have the same say they did. That treaty is responsible for creating the environment for the Nazis to rise, and I agree with you there. Now you have more of a point when you blame the US for its foreign policy failures in the middle east. We have supported bad people, we have made errors there. Are we responsible for ISIS??? No, we may have made it easier for them with our mistakes, but it is the troubled nature of the middle east that created ISIS. Those who argue for isolationism often cite these examples of how things have gone wrong in the past. Lets look instead at how US involvement has helped make things better.
1. WW2 true evil was stopped by the allied powers. Millions were freed, nations saved. Cannot argue that our efforts did not do good here. The people of Europe, Korea, China, Phillipines and North Africa all were freed from the maniacs of the twentieth century by the allied powers.
2. South Korea It was messy but the people of that nation would have suffered the fate of their northern brothers under the Kims had it not been for the USA.
3.Kuwait Saved from becoming the last province of Iraq by the US led coalition
4.Bosnia and Kosovo Serbian led genocide stopped by NATO involvement
Also worth noting is how US power stopped Soviet expansion between 1945 and 1989. Had we been an isolationist power the Soviets would have marched around the globe unchecked. Like it or not we have been given the resources to be a world power and that comes with responsibility. If we shirk that responsibility then that leaves the power to the bad guys. That is what happened during WW2, remember Chamberlin??? That does not mean we should get involved everywhere, obviously we have gone places we shouldn't have. Vietnam, Somalia etc. Also we should have conducted some needed interventions better than we have (Iraq Afghanistan) That does not mean we should not react to obvious threats like ISIS. We do need to act forcefully against those who have genocidal tendencies, those who state their intention to build and empire (and seem to have the ability to do it). We cannot turn the middle east over to these kinds of animals, they are so much worse than the tyrants that already exist in that part of the world. ISIS seems to have no limits, that is what is so scary about them. They need to go.
Regardless, the fact is Americans were beheaded, contrary to your claim.
They were either journalists or working for aid organizations. There was a time when journalists and people who worked for aid organizations were the exception.
They chose a career where they wanted to do something for the good. If it wasn't for them risking their lives we wouldn't know what is going on in the world, not that you care.
They need to choose another career.
And no...I don't care.
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If I remember correctly ISIS was formed by people who once were part of Al Qaeda. Yes it is our fight, as it is the fight of all civilized nations. ISIS is an affront to civilization and to decency. Those people on that plane did nothing wrong. The people being beheaded in Syria did nothing wrong. The Kurds and other ethnic minorities in Iraq and Syria did nothing wrong, the Christians in Syria did nothing wrong. ISIS is killing these people because they exist. ISIS plans to take over the middle east. What part about all this being a problem don't you see?? Our government plans to take in thousands of refugees from that conflict zone, that directly effects us now. When they control half the middle east and oil is 400$ a barrel that will effect all of us. When they carry out a holocaust against the Jews, the Shia Muslims or Middle eastern Chrisitans the blood will be on the worlds hands. This radical group is the most dangerous menace of our time. If left unchecked it will become a regional or even world power, an evil power. Remember the Nazis?? they were a bunch jokers marching in the streets of Munich in the 1920s, no one took them seriously. Twenty years later their armies unleashed havoc upon all of Europe killing tens of millions. Ignoring threats is never wise.
Godwin.
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Some people are cowards that hide and snipe from their keyboards, in some dreary and damp cellar.
Obama wont do squat is what some on here really mean.
Actually, Obama 'will' do something .. he'll import Syrians and place them in every corner of the nation while no one is paying attention.
Putin will do something and as usual .. the boy who would be king, Obama will continue to be a major embarrassment and continue to tell everyone how isis is nothing more than a jv team!
Putin talked to the pentagon yesterday .. Not to Obama!
Putin either believes that Obama is a part of the muslim brotherhood (likely) or Putin just doesn't respect the boy-child .. (also likely).
Lol...please. Conservative Americans have found their new hero in Russia.
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So what? They are killing terrorists.
They ARE the terrorists.
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Russia has a reputation to uphold. Whatever response they do will fast, hard and heavy. It won't be to win, it will be to make a point.
Meh...to what end. I ain't impressed.
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There WERE WMD's in Iraq and nobody said Saddam was going to unleash a nuke on the West. You have a very vivid imagination that is fueled by outright lies.
No...there weren't.
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ISIS has been armed and financed by the Obama administration. Don't kid yourself. Putin is well aware of this. The provocation with this incident is big. The retaliation will come.
Another one pinning all of his hopes in the Russians.
The Russian commander on the ground took responsibility for the Malaysian flight, then retracted it. The shootdown was absolutely intentional.
The Korean airliner was also intentional. And saying that it was the USSR and not Russia is lame. Russia didn't exist? What history class did you take? Russia was an SSR genius.
Russians dominated the USSR. The commander that gave the shootdown order was RUSSIAN! And the pilot who flew up and shot it down was a RUSSIAN!
Stop it.
No, it was not a Russian commander that shot down the Malaysian plane, unless you have some grand Intel no one else in the world has. It was a Cossack group that was part of the rebels. The shoot down was not intentional, they thought it was a Ukrainian military plane, this is clearly evident immediately after the fact.
Yes, Russia was one of 15 republics, blaming Russia would be lime blaming the state where the pilot of the gunship was from that shot the hospital recently. You are acting like Russia was it's own country. When you talk about US attacks. Do you just mention states? Or do you say "Texas conducted an air strike"?
So, we speaking ethnicities now? But yet when something like Stalin comes up, no one wants to state he was not Russian? Or when the USSR invasion of Czeckoslovkia happened, there were numerous Ukrainians that were leading the USSR including the Soviet leader, lead general, and defense minister?
How convenient for you to bring up ethnicity when it suits your needs, ignoring it when it does not.
By the way, the chief of staff that gave the order to the pilot to shoot down the plane was Ukranian.
Go back to WW2 and look who Ukrainians are. Look at who's land was taken to create it and moved into it. Might as well look at Belarus too.
What about WW2 and who they are?
There are Ukrainians as an ethnic group and as a nationality. The current Ukraine border consists of many different ethnic groups who have resided there for for some of them centuries. The west part was taken during WW2.
I really not sure what you mean by your post, so maybe I reading wrong.
There are Ukrainians as an ethnic group and as a nationality. The current Ukraine border consists of many different ethnic groups who have resided there for for some of them centuries. The west part was taken during WW2.
I really not sure what you mean by your post, so maybe I reading wrong.
I'm not going to teach you history. So go read up on WW2 when Russia was allied with Germany. What country was most of the Ukraine connected? What country had over 3 Million of its residents removed? What country after the removal of those people annexed that land and migrated their own people to it?
I know. People don't much time looking for the truth and simply stop at list of facts. They don't understand that the word fact is not synonymous with the word truth.
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